Elite's on Kentucky Lake

[Dave Stewart]

Dave, guess I should restate. Not taking about the TRUE PROS, but about general public TOURNEY GUYS.......A Pro is a Pro whatever their profession, banker, lawer, etc, ...it all comes to to RESPECT for the each other.

For sure: RESPECT and the golden rule makes life a lot easier for us all.

[sglass]

Jordan caught a 10 pounder today and KVD is in the lead with 49 and change in two days. I told you it would take close to 100 to win it. These guys are GOOD!!

[barkleyhawggitter]

Ya'll are talkin about two different topics.

As for someone runnin on you, it oughta just go both ways...pros shouldn't come in on anyone and neither should an amatuer come in on a pro. Simple. And don't anyone give me the crap about "they're fishin for a livin" or "they're trying to put food on the table"....that doesn't give you the right to be an arrogant dude.

As for following/GPS'ing, the pros have to accept that amatuers want to follow them...that's the price of the fame and the $ they make because of fandom. On marking their spots, just do it by sight or memory and don't encroach so closely just to get a GPS coordinate...they're only accurate to within a few yards anyway. Unless you idle alongside his boat, you can accomplish the same thing by stopping and observing. It should be up to you to get back to that spot on your own and figure out how to catch fish off it.

Lastly, it should just be an unwritten rule that 1 Oz. egg sinker upside the head is the punishment for being a prick on the water...it's not that hard to figure out who is in the wrong in most cases.

a 3 oz. egg sinker would be better and give you about 75 yards of coverage in every direction. maybe the next time one comes in on me i will make sure they dont catch another fish all day.

[Swift1]

Dave , your the man....And Im not saying that to flatter. You get IT and thats much to be appreciated these days............Hats off.

[00SKEETER]

Well doesn't look like the local traffic is bothering KVD too much. he's got a 6 pound lead after two days.

[bullmerc]

B. A.S.S. cannot close any body of water, public officials do that. The city of Greensboro could have easily told B.A.S.S. no! Lake Townsend was already a highly restricted lake anyway. Plus it is small, I assumed you were talking about large public bodies of water. Btw, I am well aware of the former majors and the Memorial. I am also well aware of how good KVD is. I have had a seat in the boat to see it first hand.

I don't understand your point and excuse me for getting involved in something that might not be my business.

You basically accuse this person of lying and when he responds with data showing he was not lying you change to the old "I KNOW IT ALL AND YOU DON'T KNOW SQUAT" approach.

The waterways these guys fished a few years ago were on small lakes that had little if any pressure. I don't know and don't care if they were closed to the public but the point this other poster was tyring to make was the KVD was really tough to beat when they were fishing these smaller lakes.

When someone starts pushing themselves as masters of the universe and downgrades others opinions as meaningless really irks me.

As for BASS closing fishing waters we all know this but they can get public waters closed without much effort.

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[know1]

I think it's not really an issue of pros, guides, recreational. It's just an issue of respecting other people's space when they are in it. When they're not in that space, it's yours if you choose to occupy it.

That being said, the whole "this is their job", "this is how they feed their families", etc., argument doesn't hold up for me. The fact is, they CHOSE this job.

Think of it this way, my job would be a whole lot easier if everyone I came in contact with during the day got out of my way (literally and figuratively) and bent over backwards to make sure I could be successful.

Life doesn't work that way, and I don't think people need to treat the pros any differently than they would treat anyone else on the water - which means, with respect. If you choose to treat them differently, that is your choice, but don't look down on others who choose not to.

[Tim_T]

I don't understand your point and excuse me for getting involved in something that might not be my business.

You basically accuse this person of lying and when he responds with data showing he was not lying you change to the old "I KNOW IT ALL AND YOU DON'T KNOW SQUAT" approach.

The waterways these guys fished a few years ago were on small lakes that had little if any pressure. I don't know and don't care if they were closed to the public but the point this other poster was tyring to make was the KVD was really tough to beat when they were fishing these smaller lakes.

When someone starts pushing themselves as masters of the universe and downgrades others opinions as meaningless really irks me.

As for BASS closing fishing waters we all know this but they can get public waters closed without much effort.

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Your first line says it all....it is none of your business and the poster and myself talked it out through via pm's to keep it off this board. As for BASS getting public waters closed, not going to happen. The lake in question is about 1500 acres and is restricted access anyway, the city of Greensboro closed it during that tourney. I just go off the water watching KVD and Timmy Horton fish and I can tell you that if BASS went to ask for this lake to be shut down they would be laughed out of the area.

Lot's of things irk me as well, people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong is one of them!

[bullmerc]

Your first line says it all....it is none of your business and the poster and myself talked it out through via pm's to keep it off this board. As for BASS getting public waters closed, not going to happen. The lake in question is about 1500 acres and is restricted access anyway, the city of Greensboro closed it during that tourney. I just go off the water watching KVD and Timmy Horton fish and I can tell you that if BASS went to ask for this lake to be shut down they would be laughed out of the area.

Lot's of things irk me as well, people sticking their nose where it doesn't belong is one of them!

The last time I CHECKED this was a PUBLIC FORUM and the moderators, which you are not one if I am not mistaken, decides if the content was offensive. I stated my opinion as as usual you have to try to make a mountain out of mole hill.

Nobody said anything about closing a body of water like Kentucky Lake. What the other poster and myself said is that a few years back BASS picked small lakes to hold these type of events and at that type venue KVD is tough to beat. Nothing else.

Geez man, take a valium or something and come down off your perch.

[Spider04]

I just sat in the boat with several of these pros as a marshal and I will tell you what I saw and what their comments were. I post this because I know I was interested in how this all worked at one time and I am sure others are interested too.
Takahiro Omori had many spectator boats on day 2. He was fishing a found spot, and for a while. When he thought he had broken the school up on it he moved to his only other found spot. Found spots to these guys are spots where they can catch 20+ lb bags. Three pounders don't help them much. The other spot had another pro on it. Tak had not fished there since the 2nd day of practice and was really disappointed. I found out later that pro had fished that spot only on the first day and had 22 lbs off of it. So we went back to the first spot. One of the spectator boats had moved up on the spot and both guys had fish on when we arrived. At least 10 times on the day with him, we heard the GPS beep as people pulled up. Here was Tak's take on it 'The GPS'ing doesn't bother me as much as knowing they will be fishing spots I spent 14 hours a day during practice to find before my tournament is done. And I don't have any other spots found that can win this tournament.' As for their ability - Tak pulled out a very non-traditional ledge bait in the last hour and caught a 4 lber and a 7 lber to finish his 2nd 20 lb day. I was seriously impressed.
Cliff Pace had folks GPSing him too. He was really irritated with it. He didn't comment much or specifically though.
Keith Poche is a rookie I went with on day 3. He too found two spots and he spent the entire morning running and gunning other stuff to stay away from spectator boats because he thought his spots were afternoon bites and didn't want to show his hand. He made the final 12 cut.
I did hear stories of some pros doing unfair things to prep the tournament but I can't really comment on it because it was hearsay. I know what I saw. They don't like the idea of someone simply pulling up on a spot they spent a lot of time to find and ruining their tournament. I went with Terry Scroggins, Randy Howell, and Denny Brauer last year and remember the same kind of attitude.
I asked about the use of guides and many of them do it. But they do this many months in advance of a tournament usually. Sometimes even right after a tournament (for the next year). This helps point them in the right direction of why bass do what they do on that lake. For instance, the bass on Ky Lake and the bass on Clarks Hill have different tendancies because of different environments. When practice time comes, they do a lot of searching and are out long days. My buddy and I saw KVD out fishing a main lake ledge at 8pm Sunday night. And he was fishing hard. One of the reasons these guys are so good is how hard they work at it. Physically. It was over 100 degrees heat index Saturday and KVD busted his butt to win.
By the way - Takahiro Omori was a joy to watch. His attitude is awesome. His techniques are cool. And he really knows and takes care of his equipment. If you don't know his story, you should look it up. A great example of how a person who works hard enough in our land of opportunity can make it, without handouts. Good guy. And if you don't know who Keith Poche is, look him up. Genuine good guy who is going to be good.
Just my input. Also, been out with Dave too. You can not go wrong there. An investment that lasts a lifetime in fishing knowledge. Wish I had done that years ago.
Jason

[walkeraviator]

how does one become a marshall on these tourneys?

[Spider04]

Check out the ESPN website and look up Bassmaster. You will see info in there when you dig around on how to become a marshal under the Elite Series stuff. I really have enjoyed it and learned a tremendous amount.
As I have stated before here - the best money I have spent in fishing wasn't my equipment or lures. It has been time purchased with Dave Stewart, money spent to be in a good bass club, and the money I used to be a marshal. With that said, Dave commits all of his time to you while you get smidgets of time with the pros or other club members as they are working to win. Dave gives you knowledge you can use at any lake. I seriously recommend him.
Jason