Very Simple Question about Obama

[HURRICANEBOB]

I noticed that the first thing you posted was STUPID which was your Words of Wisdom on your profile: "He who goes to bed with itchy butt wakes up with stinky finger." It's always a delight to meet a Christian with so much class.....and with a brain.

Okay....for the record.....I wear shorts to prevent exactly that same allegation.

So Mr. Itchy Butt.... wear shorts.....come on man....be civil dude

[HURRICANEBOB]

I HAVE SAID AND WILL NOT APOLOGIZE, that Muslims have no business building a mosque anywhere near Ground Zero. My reason is valid and SANE. It was Muslims that killed 3,000 people on that site and I am generalizing because every doggone Muslim gets their religious instructions from an Imam, most either residing in the middle east or being tutored from there. The terrorists flying the planes were from the middle east and were Muslims. I don't want to hear that Muslims in the United States are peaceful people. They live by the Quaran (sp). Doesn't it teach them to kill the infidels or people who are not Muslims. The bombing of the Twin Towers took the life of my first cousin and lead to the war in Iraq which took the life of my brother. I take the building of a mosque at Ground Zero personally and consider it smearing their deaths in my face all over again.

If you want to talk about the government stepping in to deny citizens the right to worship where they want, why did you conveniently forget about prayer and Bible reading in schools? Talk to us about the government denying CHRISTIAN students the right to have prayer and Bible reading in schools. At the same time, and in some of the same schools, they provide a room and and time out of classes for Muslims to go say prayers and worship their god. How can you call that the freedom to worship for Christians? YOU tell us which bill of rights apply because you seem to be the only one who knows.

Did EVERY MUSLIM do that, or just a few in a couple planes?

Men commit more crimes then women IAW FBI crime stats, so when we are born male, do we go to jail right off the bat? (No....they make us get married and are sentenced to that punishment FOR LIFE )

[HURRICANEBOB]

I will say it again........when will enough be enough.....when they are yelling allah akbar on the very site THEY conquered??


Geo

Point of minor correction. They ATTACKED it....they did not CONQUER it because they do not own it, have not taken that ground from us, and their government does not control it. RE below, they have not taken our hearts, nor our land, nor our possessions. IF we take away religious freedom because of what they did, then they have "Taken away our hearts", and so conquer would fit. We can only be the loser in this, if we chose to do so.

con·quer /ˈkɒŋkər/ Show Spelled[kong-ker] verb (used with object)
1. to acquire by force of arms; win in war: to conquer a foreign land.
2. to overcome by force; subdue: to conquer an enemy.
3. to gain, win, or obtain by effort, personal appeal, etc.: conquer the hearts of his audience.

[HURRICANEBOB]

I would still like to know why and how the Muslims recevied permission to build their Mosque ON NEWLY ACQUIRED LAND when two Christian churches next to the World Trade Center that were destroyed on 9/11 still have not received permission to rebuild their churches ON LAND THEY HAVE OWNED FOR MANY YEARS, and for that matter, the owners of the land where the World Trade Center was still have not been approved for any new buidlings (this according to Fox News)!!! (How is that for a run on sentence?)

Grumpy

Just asking, do we know for sure the church owned the land? In some cases, the city retains title to the land, and the person that builds the building only has a possessory right so long as the land is used for that purpose only. Just asking, did the TV guys clear that up.

[HURRICANEBOB]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mosque-plan...ry?id=10747570

Ah.......the city approved it, not Obama, according to this.

And.....WOW, they are building at ground zero and have been since 2005?
http://www.lowermanhattan.info/const...wer_26204.aspx

[pontooner]

Bravo!!!!!!! I nominate this post of the year. The other stuff was dead on also but this is masterpiece.

I tend to agree. Look at how we viewed the Japanese after Pearl Harbor? Look what ultimately happened to end that Japanese aggression. Yet, we have today warm ties with the Japanese. How long should it take to realize we can not hold a whole race, or all members of a country, or all of a religion to blame for the ruthless acts of just a few in leadership positions within that race, countyr, or religion. What about Hiltler? Look what he did to Great Britian in the Blitz. Yet Germany and the English, and US are allies now.

IF WE ALLOW THE TERRORISTS OF 911 TO CAUSE US NOW TO ABANDON THE MOST BASIC UNDERPINNINGS OF OUR AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE, IF WE NOW DECIDE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IS NOT FOR ALL AS OUR CONSTITUTION SAYS IT IS.......THEN THEY HAVE WON BY CAUSING US TO ABANDON OUR VALUES AND OUR WAY OF LIFE.

2 ways to defeat an enemy. Either with brute force, or ideologically. The terrorists can match us blow for blow, but they can cause us to question our way of life in hope we will willfully abandon it.

So I say "NO", I won't call out to stop religious freedom. Obama said we as Americans have to be above this, and see the right to religious freedom as a basic American value that not even a tragedy like 911 can take away from us.

Should we say no Catholic churches near play grounds because of the indescretions and crimes committed by a few of that church? What about the race and religion of the folks that crucified Christ? Should that religion and race be banned from worship in America? Do we want to look deep to mid-evil days and look at the ruthless actions that occurred and were perpetrated by Christians?

Gosh folks, what relgion has a clean slate, and has not experienced ruthless leadership?

Last thought......how many terroristist, extremists, and insurgents in the US, IRAQ,and Afghanistan have we sent to meet with Allah since 911? Point is, punish the individual criminal, not the race, or religion, or nationality.

Lets stay true to what makes us great, our values. Lets see this as a woeful and terrible incident, that as such, is still not enough to make us back away for the freedoms MILLIONS of Americans have fought and died to preserve.

[Chubminnow]

Obama didn't approve it.....he said its not right to deny freedom of religion.
He can't approve it. The New York City folks are the ones who have to issued the building permit, review the zoning laws, and decide what gets built in their City.

Yeah...You're correct on this one, BUT...Even though he can't approve anything when it comes to the construction of buildings, he APPROVES of it! And considering the high office that he holds is colse enough to approving it in my opinion.

If they'd let the American people vote on it I'd bet it wouldn't be approved. My vote says burn the prints and specs.

[DJD]

Dang Bob are you a political speech writer in your spare time? You hit all the politically correct points thats for sure.

I tend not to be so pc. I don't see how comparing things that Hilter and Japan did many years ago should be compared to the public opinion on muslims today. Nor do I see what Christians and Catholics did years ago compare to how we decide to deal with muslims today. We are talking opinions here, based on recent and daily actions by muslims. Lets deal with what Catholics and Christians do today compared to muslims today. When was the last attack on USA soil that killed thousands and was committed by Christians and Catholics. When was the last war waged against radical Christians and Catholics by the USA? When was the last stoning or beheading committed by radical Christians and Catholics?

We have some great muslim examples of leadership don't we? Seems that several on here make some great points but where are the leaders of the religion? Where have they been? Anyone remember seeing a leader of these folks trying to get the americans to change their minds on what happened? Apologizing for their radical brothers??? Where is the outcry from them on the "bad rap" muslims are getting? There hasn't been and that bothers me.

The 911 attack was tied to muslims that can't be changed. The placement of anything tied to that religion at ground zero is insensitive plain and simple. There are hundreds of mosque's in New York so I don't think this religion is being victimized or singled out based on freedom of religion. It's about using common sense and holding a sense of decency to the victims families of this tragic attack. Let them build this somewhere else and see if they still want to build it. Allowing this is a mistake in my opinion.

[bassin_bug]

[QUOTE=parker;424690]I am 44 and although I do remember saying the pledge of alegiance I cannot remember hearing a devotional in school. I asked my 13 year old and he said they still say the pledge everyday at his school.[QUOTE]

You should have paid attention in class. I must be somewhat older than you because they say it's the "young whipper-snappers" who know everything. I went to school during the days of "Little House on the Prairie." I have a 14 year-old and she clearly remembers their daily devotional (The 23rd Psalm), The Lord's Prayer, and The Pledge of Allegiance. It's too bad your son missed those golden nuggets. I hope you step up to the plate and teach them to him.

No further discussion is necessary.

[apb]

... It's too bad your son missed those golden nuggets. I hope you step up to the plate and teach them to him...

The home is where such things should be taught, not in a public school. Would you feel the same about your kids learning "golden nuggets" of Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Budist, etc. religions in school? Why should others in public school be forced to learn your religion?

Don, there has been plenty of condemnation of islamic terrorist attacks by various islamic organizations and leaders. Google them, they don't show up on Fox news.

Some good stuff by HurricaneBob too. Must have gotten a good bottle of Makers recently or something

Andrew

[DJD]

Lol I honestly watch more than fox news. I'm sorry it isn't enough for me. Maybe all those thousands of hours I have watched tv since 911 of many channels could have produced one interview for me. Guess I missed it. Btw, I can bet fox would have carried it after all they are fair and balanced.

[wishniwasfishn]

Yeah...You're correct on this one, BUT...Even though he can't approve anything when it comes to the construction of buildings, he APPROVES of it! And considering the high office that he holds is colse enough to approving it in my opinion.

If they'd let the American people vote on it I'd bet it wouldn't be approved. My vote says burn the prints and specs.

That's what I meant Tim, obviously he is not on the builiding commitee, but I bet he would pressure whomever he had to to make sure it was approved!