Are you kidding! You people want the government to step in and deny citizens the right to worship where they want? Talk about stepping on the the bill of rights! Which ones apply and which ones dont?
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Are you kidding! You people want the government to step in and deny citizens the right to worship where they want? Talk about stepping on the the bill of rights! Which ones apply and which ones dont?
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Re: Very Simple Question about Obama
I HAVE SAID AND WILL NOT APOLOGIZE, that Muslims have no business building a mosque anywhere near Ground Zero. My reason is valid and SANE. It was Muslims that killed 3,000 people on that site and I am generalizing because every doggone Muslim gets their religious instructions from an Imam, most either residing in the middle east or being tutored from there. The terrorists flying the planes were from the middle east and were Muslims. I don't want to hear that Muslims in the United States are peaceful people. They live by the Quaran (sp). Doesn't it teach them to kill the infidels or people who are not Muslims. The bombing of the Twin Towers took the life of my first cousin and lead to the war in Iraq which took the life of my brother. I take the building of a mosque at Ground Zero personally and consider it smearing their deaths in my face all over again.
If you want to talk about the government stepping in to deny citizens the right to worship where they want, why did you conveniently forget about prayer and Bible reading in schools? Talk to us about the government denying CHRISTIAN students the right to have prayer and Bible reading in schools. At the same time, and in some of the same schools, they provide a room and and time out of classes for Muslims to go say prayers and worship their god. How can you call that the freedom to worship for Christians? YOU tell us which bill of rights apply because you seem to be the only one who knows.
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All ten apply. I am a christian and have never in my life been denied my time in prayer, at school or anywhere else! If someone needs an audience to show they are in prayer, they got it all wrong to begin with.Originally Posted by bassin_bug
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Man.....you GOT that right......
BUT, you still legitimize a religion that requires you to pray 7 times a day......AND they blast the prayers over a loudspeaker for EVERYONE TO HEAR.
I guess your argument doesn't hold water.............eh.
Later,
Geo
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Im not trying to legitimize anything. I dont like the idea of a mosque being built there either but I further dislike the idea of a government telling any religion where they can or cannot build anything religious! If we go down that road there will be no stopping the government! Obama should have kept his mouth shut on this topic in my opinion but in the end he is right.
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It's 5 times a day, and no, they don't blast the prayers over a loudspeaker. What they blast over the loudspeaker is the call to the mosque to pray.
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Details..........
AND if you don't pray........what do they do......CUT your head off or something??
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In the THEOCRACIES, maybe something like that. But that's a problem with THEOCRACY, not Islam itself.Details..........
AND if you don't pray........what do they do......CUT your head off or something??
Oh no......naw......they do the same kinda cool things a Christian Church would do if you showed up on Sunday for church wearing only a thong and with a cigar and a six pack in your handDetails..........
AND if you don't pray........what do they do......CUT your head off or something??
Hey, at a Catholic School, what happens if your Senior in High School goes to class with a Harley leather jacket on, black jeans, chains on his belt and a spiked hair cut?
Might we say all religions enforce their own religious norms?
Toad, you are right sir.
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Are you still in school? How long has it been since you were allowed to pray the Lord's prayer along with the rest of the class? Does your teacher still begin first period class with a daily devotional? How about The Pledge of Allegiance? Nobody has mentioned needing an audience and you can't screw this thing around to make it look like prayer was all for show. Those are traditions that were followed even back in the days when the church house was also the school house.
If the government is allowed to take prayer and Bible reading out of schools, how much longer will it be before they do the same at YOUR church and YOUR home? I have a friend in Montana who was in a home Bible study with six of her friends when the police came crashing in. The homeowner was arrested and charged with using her private residence as a church without proper zoning and license. Her neighbor called the police because he was atheist and didn't like the QUIET, PEACEFUL, BIBLE READING AND PRAYERS inside a private residence in his neighborhood.
You do not speak for others when you say that you have never been denied your time in prayer. You are just ONE person with one voice.
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Nobody is denied their right to prayer in school... you can pray anywhere you want at anytime... what is not allowed is for the school to have a mass prayer that puts people of other religions in an awkward position. Teachers and faculty are paid by the government and are therefore representatives of the government, and if they choose to force anyone to pray or sit and listen to others pray in any religious facet, they are violating a persons fredom of religion...
so as a christian with a brain i realize that i can and WILL pray wherever and whenever i want, but i cannot expect the country to cater to my religion and allow school wide prayers or teacher led devotionals... i as a Chrictian should take it upon myself to form the devotional group and worship God on my own... which public schools still allow...
as for the montana incident, please tell me the owners of teh house got lawyers involved....
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