U.S. faces "Americanization" of terror threat

[Grumpy]

You wrong, I have read the koran (a translated version in its entirety), many years ago, and from that reading and contact with Muslims I came to believe that Islam was/is a violent oppressive religion which I wanted no part of. BTW, I have also read the Bible and I decided I didn't want any part of Christianity either.

Grumpy

[Col Forbin]

If you have read it all, you have read more than me. I have read large parts of it - enough to know that the bulk of the writings are anything but violent in nature. However, I still can't seem to lump an entire group of people as being violent based on the actions of a few. The bad part about it, those few that are casting a negative shadow on the whole, are so extreme in beliefs and actions that it has tarnished the reputation of such a large group of people. I refuse to let this taint my views. All of the muslim people I have ever known have been extremely nice and generous people - far from violent, and I truly feel they are a more accurate representation of the muslim people throughout this world, and especially in this country.

[RoadToad]

From "Discussion Board Rules":
5. No complaints about how the boards are run or the site will be allowed. We will gladly accept any e-mail complaints you would like to send to us, but no complaints on the board any more. No answers on the board any more.

Now 2 moderators are arguing, on the boards (not in email), about to moderate the boards. I don't see how you guys can expect the rest of us to follow the rules when you yourselves don't.

Back to the topic:

You wrong, I have read the koran (a translated version in its entirety), many years ago, and from that reading and contact with Muslims I came to believe that Islam was/is a violent oppressive religion which I wanted no part of. BTW, I have also read the Bible and I decided I didn't want any part of Christianity either.

Grumpy

Now, from Geo's thread entitled "Re: This just in....from a PEACEFUL religion......."

Roadtoad, thank you, I have not had that good a belly laugh in years. A professed agnostic wanting to debate theology—what a hoot!!

Anyhow, I don’t feel I am qualified to debate theology. I have read the Bible but I still think that War and Peace was much more entertaining. I have never had any interest in reading the Koran. Long before the current surge of Islam, I read enough about it and its history to determine that Islam was/is a very violent and oppressive religion which I wanted no part of.

As to your point that: “If you read the entire passages, it becomes apparent that they don't refer to ALL non-Muslims, only those that "attack them in their land.", I think that a short study of the history of Islam, and its desire, aim and attempts for the subjugation of all non-Muslims would show that your limited version and understanding of “convert them or kill them” is the one that is erroneous.

That being said, I have no disagreement with you. Anything that is written, or spoken, including and especially the contents of the Bible and the Koran, is open to interpretation. Why else can a Republican and a Democrat listen to a speech by Obama (or any other person) and come away with two very divergent opinions of what was said and/or ment by the exact same words.

Grumpy

Only one of those posts could be true. I don't for a minute believe that you would have read the Koran "in its entirety" if you "had no interest" in reading it. I personally don't believe that you've ever read a translation of it, or you wouldn't keep posting the same fallacies about Islam over and over.

[apb]

From "Discussion Board Rules":
5. No complaints about how the boards are run or the site will be allowed. We will gladly accept any e-mail complaints you would like to send to us, but no complaints on the board any more. No answers on the board any more.

Now 2 moderators are arguing, on the boards (not in email), about to moderate the boards. I don't see how you guys can expect the rest of us to follow the rules when you yourselves don't.....

You are right, I should not have questioned Grumpy's moderation on the board. I later deleted my comment to him and we had an email conversation afterwards. Count that towards me being an imperfect human. We are all allowed a little slack from time to time. For example, me cutting you a little slack with your comment here. Oooo the irony

Andrew

[RoadToad]

You are right, I should not have questioned Grumpy's moderation on the board. I later deleted my comment to him and we had an email conversation afterwards. Count that towards me being an imperfect human. We are all allowed a little slack from time to time. For example, me cutting you a little slack with your comment here. Oooo the irony

Andrew

Thanks for that. I have to admit, I've gotten my fair share of slack. Flack, too . If I believed in astrology, I'd have to wonder if Mercury is in retrograde.

[Grumpy]

Roadtoad, after I made that earlier post I remembered that in search for a religion that I could join, I had read a version of the koran (then called the Quaran) as well as the holy books for many other religions but I didn't see any need to correct the statement because I did not have any interest in Islam. Far be it from me to blame it on getting chronologically enhanced but I don't remember what most of the other holy books were either. That being said I stand by my statements.
Grumpy

[jcb]

Roadtoad, after I made that earlier post I remembered that in search for a religion that I could join, I had read a version of the koran (then called the Quaran) as well as the holy books for many other religions but I didn't see any need to correct the statement because I did not have any interest in Islam. Far be it from me to blame it on getting chronologically enhanced but I don't remember what most of the other holy books were either. That being said I stand by my statements.
Grumpy

Wish I had this remarkable talent in regards to all the boring books they made me read in college! How fortunate for you Grumpy.

[Grumpy]

Thanks JCB, yes, I have been fortunate in many ways. I have been a voracious reader from an early age. I didn’t go to college so you would be surprised at the “boring” books that I have read voluntarily. That is especially so with books, magazines, newspapers, etc. that provide (provided) opinions and/or information contrary to popular beliefs. I learned early on that I can gain a better insight into what I do believe, think or understand by reading things contrary to what I believe, think or understand. I think that one can often gain more from those that disagree with us, than from those that agree with us. Sometimes, I even lay verbal traps to get an opposing view from others, and I don’t mean just on Fishin.com. Also contrary to what APB may think, I don’t lock threads because someone disagrees with me, I only lock them when someone becomes disagreeable.

Grumpy

[bassin_bug]

You guys are acting like a room full of women with PMS.

.....and you talk about women wanting to have the "last word." Now kiss and make up and be good boys.

[jcb]

That actually was my first word, Bug. Andrew, Grumpy, Roadtoad, she must be talking about you guys.

[Grumpy]

If you are talking about those of us with Peeved Moderator Syndrome, we have made up, we just haven;t kissed on it.

Grumpy

[RoadToad]

If I had an olive tree in my back yard, I'd offer all of you a branch from it.

"Peeved Moderator Syndrome..." now that's funny!