You'd better get ready........Amnesty is HERE......again.

[RoadToad]

OK let's talk about immigration reform. What does "meaningful reform" really mean? I think we all agree securing the border is paramount. But what after that? Let's say at some point we secure the border to where nobody can possibly cross illegally. Then what do we do with all the illegals already here? I don't see where we have any choice but to offer them some path to citizenship. Many would say deport them all, but I don't think they've thought that out fully. Estimates on the number of illegal aliens already living here range from 10-20 million. Let's say it's the smaller number. The violence and social upheaval that would result from trying to deport 10,000,000 people would be unimaginable. It would be incredibly expensive. And it would be a logistical nightmare. We can't just say, "Hey, you all need to get on buses and go back home," and expect they're going to dutifully line up at the bus stations. Large numbers of them will have to be sought out and arrested, and forcibly deported. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think it's realistic to think we'll be able to do that.

That said, I'm not suggesting we should grant blanket amnesty, either. Illegals should have to do everything that anybody else wanting to be naturalized as a US citizen has to do, and then some. Some have suggested military service, and that idea sounds good, but it comes with the caveat that if it's the only option, then we're going to end up with people in the military who really don't want to be there, and probably aren't going to be willing to risk their lives when it comes down to it. I don't know what the answer is, but I think there has to be some kind of extra service to the community, some way for them to earn the privilege of being naturalized. And I think most who want to stay will gladly do it. Those that aren't willing, well, we don't have much choice but to deport them.

[DJD]

Yep this is gone on way too long. Our elected officials let us down long ago on this topic and we as tax paying americans have been given the shaft big time. Healthcare, Construction, Welfare (any gubment help program) has been just about bankrupt by the free ride we have been giving them. Something has got to be done. Amnesty? Possibly in some form and I don't have a clue where to go with that idea??

I know I said this was coming under this administration from day one because thats where they are looking for votes from. If it's Oblah blah who does it that's good timing for him (doesn't mean he will win a second term). Im so tainted in hating this guy (big surprise huh?) that it's hard for me to accept anything he or his administration does as good for this country.

[RoadToad]

OK let's talk about immigration reform....

Re-reading this, it does kind of ignore the 800-lb gorilla in the room, that being the fact that, whether he's right or wrong, President Obama seems to to have at least considered the idea of implementing his chosen solution "by executive fiat," as The American Spectator put it. Bad idea. It needs to be something there is some consensus on.

[GeoFisher]

Re-reading this, it does kind of ignore the 800-lb gorilla in the room, that being the fact that, whether he's right or wrong, President Obama seems to to have at least considered the idea of implementing his chosen solution "by executive fiat," as The American Spectator put it. Bad idea. It needs to be something there is some consensus on.

That was my basic issue.

If the AMERICAN people vote for Amnesty...the so be it, but when some LIBERAL NUT JOB who happens to be the current POTUS simply decides to sidestep the Congress, the CONSTITUTION, and the LAW.........well, it is time to vote his BUTT and all his SOCIALIST friends OUT.

Come ON.........Vote on it......

Later,

Geo

[Tom523]

OK let's talk about immigration reform. What does "meaningful reform" really mean? I think we all agree securing the border is paramount. But what after that? Let's say at some point we secure the border to where nobody can possibly cross illegally. Then what do we do with all the illegals already here? I don't see where we have any choice but to offer them some path to citizenship. Many would say deport them all, but I don't think they've thought that out fully. Estimates on the number of illegal aliens already living here range from 10-20 million. Let's say it's the smaller number. The violence and social upheaval that would result from trying to deport 10,000,000 people would be unimaginable. It would be incredibly expensive. And it would be a logistical nightmare. We can't just say, "Hey, you all need to get on buses and go back home," and expect they're going to dutifully line up at the bus stations. Large numbers of them will have to be sought out and arrested, and forcibly deported. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think it's realistic to think we'll be able to do that.

That said, I'm not suggesting we should grant blanket amnesty, either. Illegals should have to do everything that anybody else wanting to be naturalized as a US citizen has to do, and then some. Some have suggested military service, and that idea sounds good, but it comes with the caveat that if it's the only option, then we're going to end up with people in the military who really don't want to be there, and probably aren't going to be willing to risk their lives when it comes down to it. I don't know what the answer is, but I think there has to be some kind of extra service to the community, some way for them to earn the privilege of being naturalized. And I think most who want to stay will gladly do it. Those that aren't willing, well, we don't have much choice but to deport them.

Immigration reform is simple, if you think it through. First secure the border. Repeal the 14th amendment to discourage a surge in anchor babies. Then make it illegal to rent to , hire, or give other than emergency medical attention to illegal illegal immigrants. Schools will require proof of citizenship before enrollment. Social Security will purge their records of all illegal immigrants currently collecting benefits. Stiff penalties would be put in place to punish all violators. These actions alone will persuade most illegals to self deport. The majority that will remain would probably be undesirables, such as criminals and gang members which wouldn't follow the laws anyhow. However, illegal aliens that have become productive illegal citizens would also remain. These individuals that have proven themselves as contributing to our society would be placed in a category that they would not have to leave but would have to take the normal channels for citizenship. They would follow behind the current list of people that have applied the legal way and are waiting. However they would be required to pay taxes and not be given the privilege to vote until their applications were approved.
The United States should not be blackmailed with the the threat of civil unrest from a bunch of people who shouldn't be here in the first place!