Ethanol15 Approved!

[walkeraviator]

I like the "must be used on 2006 or newer vehicles"...

Basically a subdues version of cash fo clunkers... your old car *****, go buy a new one or you wont be able to buy gas for it in 5 years and this is your warning. Which cracks me up... its just like a Prius... its all about image, greenies are uneducated about what is REALLY good for teh planet, they just want be associated with whatever "appears" to be good for teh planet...

E15: Ethanol has a higher carbon footprint than gasoline of the same quantity thanks to its production procees. It only releases less emissions from the vehicle itself, but at the cost of reduced fuel mileage, and damage to teh engine. This in turn causes people to buy new stuff, throwing teh old stuff away, which adds to lanfill waste, and adds to the carbon footpring caused by all these "american" cars being made in mexico thanks to everything GeoFisher said earlier...

Prius: Thanks to being made in countries all over the world before assembly in JAPAN and using coal oil burning ships to move em, and the total toxic mess teh batteries become in teh event the car is disposed of... the Prius is teh LEAST eco friendly car in exixtance... but the greenies wont hear it... they look to good acting like they actually care...

Its all an illusion...

If you really cared about the environment and your wallet... buy a used diesel.. truck or car... and make biodiesel.. which can be made from almost anything... so you can focus on non food supply crops or animal fat slavaged from meat processing for production. It is using unwanted supplies, has a low production carbon footprint, burns clean, smells good depending on what you use for fuel... diesel engines last FOREVER (this elps financially and environmentally), and older diesel Jettas have been known to get over 50mpg... same a s a Prius "claims" to get but in reality about 8-10mpg better than a Prius "actually" gets....

*rant off

[kydonky]

Beware of what you read on blogs......The Energy Independence and Security Act was passed and signed in 2007 By President G. W. Bush. It mandates certian amounts of ethanol be sold in fuels. E85 was supposed to be a large consumer of ethanol. However, Flex fuel vehicles have been slow to catch on and E85 has not been used as widely as expected.

The law signed by Bush mandates we use a certin amount of ethanol, the ethanol supporters are trying to boost use in other fuels.

DON'T BLAME PRESIDENT OBAMA....DON'T BLAME PRESIDENT BUSH.....DO BLAME THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRIES, TERROIST STATES, and SPECIAL INTERESTS.

Pres. Obama pushed BP to put 20 Bil. in a fund for Gulf clean up. He was criticized for being anti oil. Now BP is threatening to limit damages to 75 mil. Result of Pres. Regaan's caps on damages to oil companies. These companies made record profits from 05 to 08. Some years in excess of 700 bil. Combine all companies (mobile, Exon, BP, Ashland) and you are in trillions.

It would be simple if Pres. Obama could reverse the 2007 act. It would be simple if Pres Bush could predict the future and taylor the act to be flexable.

Do express your opinion on the issue, but be careful on who you blame and why.

[ukbass]

Beware of what you read on blogs......The Energy Independence and Security Act was passed and signed in 2007 By President G. W. Bush. It mandates certian amounts of ethanol be sold in fuels. E85 was supposed to be a large consumer of ethanol. However, Flex fuel vehicles have been slow to catch on and E85 has not been used as widely as expected.

The law signed by Bush mandates we use a certin amount of ethanol, the ethanol supporters are trying to boost use in other fuels.

DON'T BLAME PRESIDENT OBAMA....DON'T BLAME PRESIDENT BUSH.....DO BLAME THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRIES, TERROIST STATES, and SPECIAL INTERESTS.

Pres. Obama pushed BP to put 20 Bil. in a fund for Gulf clean up. He was criticized for being anti oil. Now BP is threatening to limit damages to 75 mil. Result of Pres. Regaan's caps on damages to oil companies. These companies made record profits from 05 to 08. Some years in excess of 700 bil. Combine all companies (mobile, Exon, BP, Ashland) and you are in trillions.

It would be simple if Pres. Obama could reverse the 2007 act. It would be simple if Pres Bush could predict the future and taylor the act to be flexable.

Do express your opinion on the issue, but be careful on who you blame and why.

That's all very good info. There certainly is much to this topic that is difficult disect. But be careful here, if you get to in depth they will close this thread.

[bg64vw]

Kydonky, you hit the nail on the head. Its never black and white like the media or politicians would like you to think. Ethanol can be a problem in some situations but this new fuel isnt going to take over the world, its meant to be an option like anything else. As for those that don't like the EPA all I can say is ignorance!!! Think about the last Olympics in China when they had to shut down all the manufacturing so everyone coming to China could breathe! How about Mexico, theres a reason people say don't drink the water because unlike the U.S. they don't always have safe potable water. As for FISHING what this forum is about, ask your local fishery biologist how important clean water is. Prior to the formation of the EPA and clean water act in 1970 most of the waters in this state were being filled with straight pipes from toilets and whatever the factories wanted to dump in. Take Green River in Hart County, years ago you could see water in multiple colors coming out in places like Hicks Springs from legally dumped wastes from factories in Horse Cave. Those same wastes today are handled as hazardous waste. It always blows me away that outdoorsmen don't like the EPA???

[Dave Stewart]

Ok guys...here is the deal:

This board is not for politcal posts. A post was made to make you aware that E15 had been approved and is coming. Obviously folks with outboards need to be aware of this and take the appropriate precautions to not use it. That is the type of discussion that goes on this Fishing Discussion Board. If you want to debate politics...take it to the "Off Topics" board.

[kydonky]

There may be a solution to our dilemma. I think you can purchase 55 gal. drum barrels of gas from Robinson oil and other oil distributers at the octane and mix you like. My brother in law in used to purchase racing fuel from them. No highway tax on the barrels unless you are using it on road.

We all may have to get one of those farm fuel tanks in the backyard for our boat gas.

Hopefully it will not come to this, but I'm sure gonna be checking those pumps before I fill up.

[Rudypoo4444]

... Useful idiot

Useful idiot huh? That's nice. I can't say I have ever been called that before.

[artcarney_agr]

I was told that marinas purchase a special blend of gasoline that is ethanol-free and to be more resistant to the effects of exposure to moisture - this is why it's usally priced higher than the gas station up the road. Is this true?

If so, won't the additional ethanol in fuel help the marinas on our lakes?

[MsgMills]

No i think the Marina's charge whatever price they see fit for their gas. Since they got you over the barrel when it comes to having access to the gas. Either you buy it from them or go to the ramp and take your boat outta the water and go to the nearest station to fill up. Then the closest station to the Lake charges whatever they wanna charge as well, cause they know they are the closest station to the lake and you gotta have fuel for your toys.

So do as i do, i make sure i have my rig filled up prior to arriving at the lake and then fill it back up when i get back home...Price of fuel these day's is outrageous.....

[artcarney_agr]

No i think the Marina's charge whatever price they see fit for their gas. Since they got you over the barrel when it comes to having access to the gas. Either you buy it from them or go to the ramp and take your boat outta the water and go to the nearest station to fill up. Then the closest station to the Lake charges whatever they wanna charge as well, cause they know they are the closest station to the lake and you gotta have fuel for your toys.

So do as i do, i make sure i have my rig filled up prior to arriving at the lake and then fill it back up when i get back home...Price of fuel these day's is outrageous.....

You're right! A marina worker had told me that garbage about additives and such, but apparently it was total BS!

Here's what I found after some quick research, and makes more sense:
The limited customer base of marinas allows them to further manipulate the price of fuel. By their very nature, marina customers are limited to boat owners and the boating public; because the marinas have a smaller customer base, they must sell fuel at a higher margin in order to both cover costs and generate a profit. Also, marinas are typically smaller and move less fuel than automotive gas stations, which gives them less buying power with fuel distributors. Less buying power equates to a higher wholesale cost, which is passed on to customers in the form of higher fuel prices.

Do you think we'll see any advances in the outboard motor industry to adjust to the ethanol craze? I only see it getting worse, and eventually the outboard industry will have to adjust. The ethanol craze is almost like the big ordeal a few years ago with the emissions requirements......which I'm surprised hasn't surfaced with even further restrictions. Seems like a few years ago everyone was in an uproar that all outboards would eventually become 4-strokes. Do you think that is still a possibility as emissions requirements get tighter and ethanol becomes more and more prevalent? Would a 4-stroke handle ethanol better than a 2-stroke?

[kydonky]

Eventually Outboards will be produced for ethanol (if ethanol proves sustainable). I see gas distributors targeting the boad motor fuel market with safe gas for boats. It will probably be sold at marinas and stations close to big lakes. There will also be a market for the safe gas for the older cars out there for some time to come. Gas distributers want your money, so if you have an outboard or a 2002 camery, they will market something you will want to buy.

Most advances in combustion motor technology have come from the marine engine industry. It's a very tough laboratory. Look at the HP out of new outboards. A 115 Merc today weighs less than a 1965 50 hp.

In the mean time be carefull filling up at the pump.

[kydonky]

Before oil injection and outboard 4 stokes our marina in Frankfort used to sell a premixed gas out of the pump. It was touted as homoginized premix and it was good gas! I always used it. Did not have to mix it my self, no to rich or to lean mixture and for whatever reason (homogination?) it stayed mixed. You did not get that excessively rich mix at the bottom of your tank.