I love it........you can BEAT your wife and kids as long as you leave no MARKS

[GeoFisher]

Man.......I think I'm gonna convert.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10...e-court-rules/

Later,

Geo

[MsgMills]

wow is all i can say....I believe in discipline of children and a swat on the bottom side never hurt no kid.

But any man who hits a woman needs to be hit 3 times as much by 3 men in order to knock some sense into him.....

[Big Gills]

HA! I know you are kidding George cuz if you went near your wife and daughter they would take baseball bats after you.

Agree with you wholeheartedly MsgMills. Myself I see nothing wrong with a firm swat on a childs behind if he runs out into traffic or something serious where he could get hurt. But thats it.

Another reason I have to hate Islam. They condone violence against women and children. Any society and religion that allows this violence is not a God or Allah loving faith. Violence breeds violence. I goggled Muslims and why is it that they dont get along with anybody else. They pretty well hate and dont get alongwith any other religious faiths. I guess that is why they can find volunteers to fly airplanes into buildings or stap 50lbs of dynomite on their chest and walk into subways or buses or buildings and blow themselves up. NO respect for life in that society. Just my 2 cents.

[SteveM4A1]

Alright, that ruling is pretty ridiculous. And swatting a child on the rear end actually does more harm than good. There are various psychological studies that have been presented recently that shows those children that were spanked end up having lower IQs. If you combine that with the knowledge we already know about punishment versus reinforcement, it is clear that punishment should be used much more sparingly than it is used today. If you really want to have a child or any individual learn something, i.e. right and wrong, then you reinforce the good behavior much more strongly than you punish the bad. This is something society has had backwards for a long time, and it is saddening.

Now to this post about Islam as a whole. I cannot understand why we, as Americans, have so much hate for this religion and why we continue to make up reasons as to why Islam is about violence. Firstly, I am from an extremely small town in the Midwest, and have rarely socialized with individuals outside of our belief system. That being said, the few Muslims I have talked to are overwhelmingly compassionate and intelligent. We need to realize that those bad images we see on tv are 90% caused by EXTREMISTS. There is no need to hate an entire religion because of what some outcasts of that religion do. We need to educate ourselves on other religions and cultures, something us Americans do not do very well. We judge by what we see on the corporate-run media and the hate-filled speech we read on the internet. To really understand a culture or religion you have to socialize with those individuals and try to understand them, which we don't do so well. We judge and if it isn't what we believe in, then it is wrong. This is why we have NO relations with any other nations in the world. I love our way of living, but what we believe in isn't necessarily right and what others believe in isn't necessarily wrong.

[Big Gills]

I love how idealistic you are as I was like that when I first came out of university. The world was a beautiful place full of loving people and if I was Christian to all they would love me back. WRONG> I learnt the hard way life is not that way all the time.

If you are referring to my post, YES I am not politically correct and say what is on my mind. I learnt that through life also. I hate with a passion terrorists of any faith and am especially hateful of the bid laden followers for Sept 11th attacks on America, 2 major attempts on Canada that were stopped and bombings in England, Spain, Africa to name a few.

However, I am referring here to the topic of this thread which is violence approved by Islam against women and children. Do you approve of this? You say it is ridiculous but that is a complete understatement of how these women and children are treated like dirt in Islam. Maybe not over in North America but in their own countries. I saw tv footage of the Taliban beating women in public with lead pipes. I was appauled and shocked by this.

A wise man once said " A society is ultimately judged by how it treats its weakest most vulnerable members"

So how will Islam be judged by how they treat women and children.

[mhall]

I like you Gills, I would love to meet you sometime. You my Dear make alot of sense and I can totally relate to your way of thinking.

Islam can kiss my rear, sorry that's how I feel folks!

[DJD]

I'm not into time out and all the latest views on how to discipline kids. My thought and practice is that spanking is fine and other discipline like taking away the fun things works well too.

Talking it out like I have seen so many parents do can really backfire but it works for some. Actually, IMO, there is no perfect way....all modes of discipline works here and there.

Islam shows it's true colors all the time but for some reason folks feel a need to try and justify their views and beliefs. I'm sure there are good Muslims and bad ones but I have found that most of what I read and hear makes me believe I could not endorse their ways.

I'm not PC and don't really care. I'm a man raised in the South regardless of my parents color and I was taught a certain way... Muslim views are so far away from what I learned.

[SteveM4A1]

Yes I'm so idealistic and just love everyone...world peace!!...and I skip around trees smelling the flowers lol...

But more seriously, no I do NOT approve of this. I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear in my original thread. I thought I was making myself clear that hitting a child, even spanking, is completely wrong and in our society spanking is seen as ok. It is disgusting, yet most individuals do it. Don't bash an entire religion because of a ruling that has similarities with our OWN culture. Now, I would hope that we all share in the fact that beating a woman is wrong, and deserves to have a baseball bat beaten through his skull.

Now I don't care about whether you are being PC or not. You don't think I have that same hatred for those individuals responsible for those attacks and future attacks? One of my good friends throughout my childhood moved to the outskirts of the city and his father was killed in the towers, so don't try and preach me about hatred about those events and all events that have followed. But I am smart enough to realize that it is not the doing of the vast majority of that religion. Like I said, EDUCATE yourself. It wasn't that long ago when we as a nation did not treat our most vulnerable members very well. We changed and so can they.

Back to the topic more specifically...remind me on my next vacation planning to not go to the UAE..didn't they imprison a couple for kissing in public? I'm glad we have some resemblence of separation between faith and government.

[mhall]

Big Gills, I didn't mean to sound ''Fresh'' in that post, I simply meant what I said in a purely friendship manner. Just wanted to clarify, that maybe you were offended or caught off guard by how my psot sounded.

[Tim_T]

Yes I'm so idealistic and just love everyone...world peace!!...and I skip around trees smelling the flowers lol...

But more seriously, no I do NOT approve of this. I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear in my original thread. I thought I was making myself clear that hitting a child, even spanking, is completely wrong and in our society spanking is seen as ok. It is disgusting, yet most individuals do it. .

having been on thends of a few spankings and raising two kids, I sincerely think you do not live in the real world! Stop reading the psychology and sociology books your professor required and try living in the real world.

[SteveM4A1]

it is funny when people say that...i've been living in the real world for a long time. most individuals just think the way they do it is right, with an unbelievable amount of data saying the opposite. stop being hard headed and narrow minded.

[Devils Horse]

Hey guys, haven't been around for a while. Been fishing and working. Hope everyone is doing well.

Steve, just curious, but have you noticed the same tiny fringe element you speak of has been intentionally killing innocent people for the last 50 years? Noticed that of all the religions on earth, only Islam consistently produces suicide bombers? Ever seen streets full of people on TV in a Muslim country burning the American flag, celebrating some terror attack on innocent civilians and wondered if maybe there's more than just a lunatic fringe in the Muslim world?

Filter some of that politically correct drivel through a filter of facts and see what you come up with.