Mitch Daniels takes on LABOR

[Hlleonard]

I'm like Don in that my paycheck comes from the construction industry...been in this business for 31 years. And I say DOWN with the Unions!

Everyone agree's with this statement except of course those who are in a Union. All that strong arming crap is just that...CRAP!! I'm not saying a guy on an assembly line doesn't work hard, he probably does, day in, day out, going to the same stinking line everyday, lights blinking, obnoxious sounds, life on the assembly line probably stinks...but not EVERY guy on the line works hard so why should EVERY guy on the line get the same pay? Why should job security be based on how many years experience a guy has verses how good he is at the work he does. Total number of years experience does not always equate to excellent work produced so why pay Union Platinum Star-A top pay while also paying the Union Bench Warmer the equal amount? Same goes for teachers, some are excellent, some should not be teaching but yet the union treats them equally.

Why should people get a kickback from the Union when they're laid off so while they're laid off they bring home almost as much pay as when they're working? And why should I have to pay extra dollars to support my american brother's job AND help finance his pension by buying his product? It seems to me that I'm already doing my part by buying his american made product, this keeps him employed, but I sure as heck should NOT be charged an extra dollar to help fund his pension. If he wants a nest egg come retirment day then let him save it on his own. No one helps fund my pension...oops...I forgot...I don't have a pension plan because I'm not in a union.

To heck with Unions! Don't want'em, don't need'em, they are aiding in the down fall of this country!

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Unions have absolutely nothing to do with the downfall of this country ...Greed has everything to do with the downfall of this country ...If you want to live in the country that Rush Limbaugh would like to build then look at the middle eastern countries, they have various names and the folks at the top of the heap wash their hands in gold plated wash basins and drive gold plated BMW's while the people on the bottom end of the scale are trying to live on two biscuits a day ...Let the unions totally collapse and your head will spin at how fast the pay scale will be cut in half in plants like toyota where some people point out as a great place to work where unions aren't needed, The UAW in other auto plants are why those people have a decent job whether or not they are willing to admit it.

[Devils Horse]

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Unions have absolutely nothing to do with the downfall of this country ...Greed has everything to do with the downfall of this country ...If you want to live in the country that Rush Limbaugh would like to build then look at the middle eastern countries, they have various names and the folks at the top of the heap wash their hands in gold plated wash basins and drive gold plated BMW's while the people on the bottom end of the scale are trying to live on two biscuits a day ...Let the unions totally collapse and your head will spin at how fast the pay scale will be cut in half in plants like toyota where some people point out as a great place to work where unions aren't needed, The UAW in other auto plants are why those people have a decent job whether or not they are willing to admit it.

Comparing any middle east country to the US system is just plain crazy talk. What's wrong with an America that lives by our constitution?

I have no real problem with Unions as long as workers have a choice about whether to join. The problem is there are entire states where if you want to work there you HAVE to join a union. Slice it any way you want, that's just plain wrong.

Years ago I lived in Dayton, Ohio, and I had a neighbor who worked for one of the auto industry companies. The company was 100% union, you work there, you pay union dues. He made more money than me and had much better benefits despite my education and experience. By my estimation his total compensation including benefits was well over 100k for so called unskilled labor. This was in the late 80's, and Dayton had several such companies.

He told me stories of how the shop stewards controlled the work flow and limited productivity. More than once they privately reprimanded him for working too hard and getting outside the union's production formula. He also said you could get in more trouble for over-producing than slacking. The guy said it was next to impossible to lose his job for any reason unless the union wanted to get rid of you.

There are virtually none of those auto industry companies still in business in Dayton now.

[GeoFisher]

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Unions have absolutely nothing to do with the downfall of this country ...Greed has everything to do with the downfall of this country ...If you want to live in the country that Rush Limbaugh would like to build then look at the middle eastern countries, they have various names and the folks at the top of the heap wash their hands in gold plated wash basins and drive gold plated BMW's while the people on the bottom end of the scale are trying to live on two biscuits a day ...Let the unions totally collapse and your head will spin at how fast the pay scale will be cut in half in plants like toyota where some people point out as a great place to work where unions aren't needed, The UAW in other auto plants are why those people have a decent job whether or not they are willing to admit it.

GOD........I love it.......you blame the problems of middle eastern countries on capitalism?? You my friend need to go back to school and get some more of that UNION EDUCATION.........I mean REALLY.

Lets see............MOST of the problems over there are due to DICTATORSHIPS........and when DICTATORS run countries, bad things happen.

[Hlleonard]

GOD........I love it.......you blame the problems of middle eastern countries on capitalism?? You my friend need to go back to school and get some more of that UNION EDUCATION.........I mean REALLY.

Lets see............MOST of the problems over there are due to DICTATORSHIPS........and when DICTATORS run countries, bad things happen.

When the top half of the financial population (regardless of who they are) starts pushing the bottom half of the financial population to being deprived of a decent living then bad things happen ...This country is nowhere near what is happening in the middle east but we are a good bit closer than we were 25 years ago, Anybody that thinks that can't happen here if the trend continues into the future is sticking his head in the sand ...One way to turn it around is pay the people who work for you a decent wage so he can buy the things that he works to produce ...The only reason we have the illegals here is because business owners can hire them for half what an American citizen needs to stay off the welfare system so they choose to do that to increase their income with no regard for what it is doing to this country.

[Chubminnow]

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Unions have absolutely nothing to do with the downfall of this country ...Greed has everything to do with the downfall of this country.

I agree with half of what you wrote....Greed is the downfall for sure. Look at the big Union Leaders trying to hang the moon for the common man on the line or out in the field, just because he's a union man.

Yep....it's all about Greed!

[Chubminnow]

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Unions have absolutely nothing to do with the downfall of this country ...Greed has everything to do with the downfall of this country.

I guess I'll keep on supporting the U.A.W. by driving Chevrolets, always have and always will....but man, having to pay for all those U.A.W. employee benefit packages that makes their products above and beyond what they're really worth is about to break my back!