Originally Posted by
dac244
I was just responding to your question man......No way will a Pro Union guy (not saying you) agree with my opinion of unions being outdated, greedy and for the most part alot like socialist gubment....JMO look at the violence they spew when you talk about them feeling the pinch that others have in this economy. What makes them better than me? Look at the amount of bailout money they received and did nothing constructive with. I thought teachers were gonna get hired and all kinds of crap with the millions that Wisconson received. Where is that money? Millions??
To answer your other question....If I ask a man in the field if he likes the PW when it's more than his base pay the answer is YES!!! Thats human nature. If I ask folks in the office who do not work on-site at PW jobs since they are management they say it SUKKS. Here is why...to work in the office you usually have shown some ability to lead, manage or just plain been there long enough. Now you get a project awarded to your company and you have to pay a guy the PW just because he fits a "classification" like is he wearing tools or not. That should not be what decides if a guy gets paid $22 an hour usual pay and now $35 an hour. It should be performance, ability and is he making you money. This weeds out slackers and promotes competency. Giving money promotes lazy, entitlement attitudes. Look at our welfare system....prime example.
Does the guy in the field care where the money came from? Prolly not but he should. When you give money to someone it means you have taken it from someone else. That means taxes. So instead of making unions play with common sense law makers will tax folks more or get federal bailouts (taxes) so we can pay the builders more to do the same job as before (usually worse now) just because unions felt it was unfair that they pay their members waaaay to much and can't compete in the construction bid market. Their thinking is greed. They can't win by competing so they pad the pockets of politicians to try and level the playing field.
The only reason that mans pay jumped that high is the Unions...it wasn't that he just became better at his job and in fact jobs are harder to complete now more than ever. Guys don't want to work as hard because the longer the job lasts the more he gets are $35 an hour rate. See the problem?? Giving money to someone for the sake of giving money based on a "classification" is wrong and thats what Unions do. Thats what the gubment does in many areas as well.
Instead of saying you folks who have done well by going to school, working hard, paying your dues, dealing with the headaches and playing by the book can enjoy the fruits of your labor they would rather say nope you have too much so give more to the folks who chose not too do it your way. Why not reverse that and say those of you who didn't do enough need to start and sleep in the bed you made. Stop whining and get your arse out there! All men are equal right?? Why not let them be equal by lifting everyone up instead of lowering everyone down?
Unions act as if the money is being generated by some magical money tree. It's not at all and the folks in Wisconson and other states are finding this out. Their federal taxes have been bailing these dang things out for years. They can organize into thugs and have had ties to organized crime for decades.
I hope they all get busted or damaged to the point of falling apart. They have broken the law as they see fit and are a huge waste of tax payer money.
Of course you see where our POTUS stands on Unions. He loves them since they supported him as he was a community organizer and loved the unions. Now we see again how he caters to his buddies.
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