Elected Officials

[kydonky]

WHATS wrong with THAT........it is not your RIGHT to be employed. Any employer should be able to fire you for ANYTHING........PERIOD. YOU do not have a right to work PERIOD..........end of story.

When people get over the entitlement ******** ideas, maybe we will get back to realistic values.

Lose your job because they fire you BECAUSE they didn't like your pants. FIND a different job, because the boss was probably a freakin douche anyways.......

WHY should you really CARE about getting fired for something lame.

You know LIFE is not fair. When we try to legislate fairness in "life" we get the garbage we have now. MOVE ON, get over it and stop crying about it.

My company gets tired of me or outsources me to India for 1/4 of what I make........MORE power to them. I will find something better, and probably with BETTER PAY. Good people can make it happen. Now granted, there is nothing in Louisville for me, but hell, I've always wanted to live in Phoenix, or Minnesota, or Texas, or Florida, or Tennessee, or, or, or......you get the picture.

Later,

Geo

Nothing wrong with that. Just saying that KY is an at will employment state.

If you want any job security in KY you need to have an employment contract. Then you know what is expected of you and your employer will pay you per the terms of your contract.

If there are terms in your contract that say he will not replace you if the job is needed and you meet standards, he cannot fire you and hire a new worker from Mexico at a fourth of your salary.

How do you get an employment contract? One way is through union representation or you may negotiate a contract for yourself with your employer.

Many (if not most) independant insurance agents have contracts with the insurance carriers like Allstate, Nationwise, State Auto. If the agent meets the sales criteria and other requirements of the contract, the company will not replace him with an another agent. Some contracts may have geographical districts that protect the agent from unfair compition in an area for the same product. But if the agent does not meet sales quota, breaks a law, or misrepresents himself or a product, the company may fire him as well as sue him for damages.

So unions are just another employment contract. Some good for both employer and employee and some contracts not good for either or both.

I guess the country is changing. We have all of these disposable products coming from China, use once and throw away. I guess it's just the next step to have disposable people. Work for a company for 29 years and have to take two weeks off sick, just fire them and get you a new one from Mexico, India or Korea.

Geo I don't think you would like Phoenix very long. You would be trading your boat for a dune buggy. Its a long way to Lake Mead or lake Powell.

[GeoFisher]

Geo I don't think you would like Phoenix very long. You would be trading your boat for a dune buggy. Its a long way to Lake Mead or lake Powell.

Maybe I'd become GeoFlyer again.......I used to be really big into RC aircraft. I had to pick which one to pursue. I loved fishing but I also loved flying. I picked fishing because it was cheaper.

Of course, it was cheaper before Loomis rods, before canoes, before canada trips, before 10 day trips to KY lake, before the boat.........etc, etc.

I think my wife would LOVE for me to give up fishing and take up flying RC again........at least I'd be home every night after flying. Of course, she does like me gone............HM.

Later,

Geo

[kydonky]

Maybe I'd become GeoFlyer again.......I used to be really big into RC aircraft. I had to pick which one to pursue. I loved fishing but I also loved flying. I picked fishing because it was cheaper.

Of course, it was cheaper before Loomis rods, before canoes, before canada trips, before 10 day trips to KY lake, before the boat.........etc, etc.

I think my wife would LOVE for me to give up fishing and take up flying RC again........at least I'd be home every night after flying. Of course, she does like me gone............HM.

Later,

Geo

Funny you should mention flying. I have been looking at this new sport pilot license. Fly a two place (seat plane) under 7000 ft. single engine, no turbo, fixed gear, gross weight 1380 lbs, daylight only. No medical (other than that to get a drivers lic.).

A lot of planes out there that qualify, Luscombe 8a, piper cubs, Taylorcraft, areonca cheif. Even Cessna has come out with a new sport plane the 162. 20 hours is all you need.

Wife is not convinced yet. I think I'm going to push for a new harley, then after a while we may compromise with an areoca cheif sport plane.

[Tom523]

Kentucky is an "at will employment state"

Private industry can fire anyone, anytime for any reason. (other than discrimination,issues .....black, white, jewish, girl, boy ect.)

Don't like pants..fired

Don't like haircut...fired

Can the employee collect unemployment benifits. Yes!

Can employer be sued. No!

If the employee looses his job through no fault of hisown he can get unemployment benifits. But thats it. (unless discrimination laws were broken)

In Kentucky unemployment benefits can be paid even if you are fired. As long as you weren't fired for violence in the workplace or stealing from your employer. I know a guy that got fired for showing up for work drunk twice. He collects an unemployment check.

[kydonky]

In Kentucky unemployment benefits can be paid even if you are fired. As long as you weren't fired for violence in the workplace or stealing from your employer. I know a guy that got fired for showing up for work drunk twice. He collects an unemployment check.

You are not correct. An employer can dispute any unemployment claim and if the employee was fired for cause (drinking on the job, not showing up and so on) and unemployment benifits will be denied. If he is fired because of a downturn or other reason through "no fault of the employee" he will receive benifits.

You probably do not have all the facts about the guy you know.

Now you may ask why would an employer dispute a claim that is paid by the state and not the employer? The reason is that the employers unemployment isnsurance premium is based on his claims record. If he has a lot of claims and frequently fires employees thru no fault, his unemployment insurance premiums will rise. If he has few claims his premium will be much less.

[lroberts]

Ok...if that's true somebody ought to be gettin' up off their can and do it then. It's probably easier said than done. Even in private industry it's hard to let people go, seen it to many times.

Who are you talking about that should be fired????

[kydonky]

I think it is more than a power grab. Even if the unions give up concessions, with the next contract they will have every OPPORTUNITY to SCREW the taxpayers. UNLESS the union is busted. Not about power....it is really about fairness. Be VALUABLE and you will be paid what you're worth. You said it a couple nights ago.....you provide a value for your company. When you or I no longer provide that value.......we're GONE. That is how it should be.

Later,

Geo

Or untill your company finds that it can obtain services in Mexico, India, Korea, at a better value...then your gone.

Or untill your company finds that they can imagrate a worker at a fraction of your salary...then your gone.

It's not just about profits anymore..it's about absolute maximum profits. This is the reason underwear is made in India now. Fruit of the loom was making profits in Kentucky, but when you move to Mexico, India and pay 3rd world wages you have maximum profits.

GE is one of the most profitable companies in the US today. When Frankfort has a GE plant they rejected union membership several times. When GE outsourced their appliance plants to Mexico, the nonunion plants were the ones to go (Frankfort GE plant closed).

Were these employees just bumbling dropouts without skills? No they were electricians, tool makers, ect. along with the assemblers and materials handlers. Many had to move far from family, friends to work, others took jobs where their skills were not even used.

So we have vacant houses that cannot sell, shuttered 60,000 sq ft home depot building.

"Greed is Good"? I think we may start to consider our neighbors on our street, in our churches and communities.

Just saying Geo....It does not have to be "all or nothing". Union busting may not be the answer you think it is. Room for improvements? Of course, always. But watch out a hosue can fall on anyone (wizard of Oz).

[Chubminnow]

You obviously know nothing about politics.....the man who is the Rep. Speaker of the House right now led a group of Rep. that did this several years ago. It is in the Constitution that they can do this.....had nothing to do with something they did or didn't do. Save your name calling for something you are informed on!

You're correct...I know very little if anything at all about politics...I know right is right and left is wrong (ok, just kidding, sort of) but I do have common sense and I know what "appears" to be lame behavior when I see it. I also know how far it would get me if I walked out on my own job and they had to have the law come looking for me. Guess that's the difference between politicians and regular everyday worker's.

I still say they oughta fire'm all! It's NOT a left verses right thing with me on this issue or who did what several years ago. I really don't care who did what several years ago...AND...whatever someone did several years ago doesn't make it ok today...For me personally, party afiliation doesn't make a hill of beans difference what so ever in regards to this particular fiasco.

If it's wrote in the constitution that they can put this type of behaviour into place then so be it, but it doesn't sound right to me. I guess it is what it is.

The economy is STILL struggling and more money needs to be cut fella's...more GOVERNMENT money needs to be cut. The unions have had their cuts like everyone else I'm sure. There is hardly anyone in this country that hasn't felt or isn't going to feel the effects of this recession, ESPECIALLY once gas goes over 4 to 5 bucks per gallon.

[Tom523]

You obviously know nothing about politics.....the man who is the Rep. Speaker of the House right now led a group of Rep. that did this several years ago. It is in the Constitution that they can do this.....had nothing to do with something they did or didn't do. Save your name calling for something you are informed on!

It is also in their constitution that they can be compelled to show up for work. Use the police if necessary.

[the_donger]

The ones that left were democrats. They did it for a reason - with the 14 members being out of state, the republican controlled state senate would not have a quorum, thus they cannot vote on, let alone pass, the controversial bills the governor wants passed. It is not about cowardice or anything like that, it is 100% political.