Quote Originally Posted by DJD View Post
With all due respect I just can't see how they are good or productive for the economy. The case in Wisconson isn't about big Corporations and Unions it's about tax payers and Unions....at least thats what I see.

Unions have always been a very small part of the working force. So I don't see how they had much impact on the economic downfall. To me that was failed policies by self serving do-gooders in Washington. Spending more than we have is always a problem and ignoring problems the way those fartknockers do is never the way either.

I actually agree that the unions had a time when they were needed but to me that was back when options for employment were few and work place standards sukked! Coal miners, auto/truck, manufacture, steel and others benefited but to me thats done. We now have so many gubment agencies that can shut a work place down in a heartbeat and prolly have 10 money grubbing lawyers for every person in this country to represent them.

Business owners are held to so many restrictions now that you can't verbally, mentally, financially or even hint of abuse on an employee. Plus if you even get close to discrimination either by pay, race, religion, sex or position your guilty until you can prove otherwise. Just try and fire someone without just cause and see what the labor department and lawyers will do to you.

I'm just asking what real benefit they serve and can it be done better without them?

I have to admit I know very little about the pay scale of the folks who work for the government and are paid by tax dollars so I will refrain from voicing an opinion about these folks ...I do agree that unions were not expressly responsible for the wages of most working folks, I do however believe that even non-union pay scale was affected by union wages in the past ...I believe most companies/corporations will pay the least wage or salary that they can get by with to get the job done ...There are a few of you fellas who post here that have been fortunate in that you have acquired the training/experience to earn a good living in your chosen career, not everybody has the ability or the will to do what you have done and I congratulate you but that doesn't strip the folks who choose to work in more mundane jobs of the right to earn a living without needing public assistance ...If employers voluntarily paid their employees a decent wage then unions would not be necessary and neither would illegals who have affected pay scales a great deal, Employers will pay an illegal half the wage to get a job done just because he can ...Most Americans don't wish to live 10 or 20 in a trailer or house the way these folks do, If a company owner or operator wants their work force to live that way then they are doing a great disservice to our way of life.