Well, thats 4 times since last summer...so thats more than one time a year. Subtract the 12 from the 30 or so we caught in 4 trips...thats still 18 bass in 3 trips. Most of those were keepers. If you've been fishing Patoka up until now, before the flood waters started to drop, I dont think KVD could muster up a nice stringer. My point is, yeah, its a lake where you dont catch a fish every other cast, but pick your times and the right spots ...its still a very nice bass lake.