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  1. #13
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    Re: My day got exciting

    Quote Originally Posted by zx150 View Post
    Yep. Just had my legal updates class for 2011. Basicly if it is not a felony you aren't going to jail. All in the name of money.

    Thank you state legislators, I feel so much safer now!

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    Re: My day got exciting

    Quote Originally Posted by zx150 View Post
    Yep. Just had my legal updates class for 2011. Basicly if it is not a felony you aren't going to jail. All in the name of money.
    Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? Let's look at what the bill actually says:

    *The word "may" is struck through in the actual text, indicating it was replaced with "shall."

    KRS 431.015 is amended to read as follows:
    (1) (a) KRS 431.005 to the contrary notwithstanding, and except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this subsection, a peace officer shall[may]* issue a citation instead of making an arrest for a misdemeanor committed in his or her presence, if there are reasonable grounds to believe that the person being cited will appear to answer the charge. The citation shall provide that the defendant shall appear within a designated time.
    (b) A peace officer may make an arrest instead of issuing a citation for a misdemeanor committed in his or her presence if the misdemeanor is:
    1. A violation of KRS Chapter 508, 510, or 527, or KRS 189A.010;
    2. An offense in which the defendant poses a risk of danger to himself, herself, or another person; or
    3. An offense in which the defendant refuses to follow the peace officer's reasonable instructions.
    (c) A peace officer shall make an arrest for violations of protective orders issued pursuant to KRS 403.715 to 403.785.
    (2) A peace officer may issue a citation instead of making an arrest for a violation committed in his presence but may not make a physical arrest unless there are reasonable grounds to believe that the defendant, if a citation is issued, will not appear at the designated time or unless the offense charged is a violation of KRS 189.223, 189.290, 189.393, 189.520, 189.580, 235.240, 281.600, 511.080, or 525.070 committed in his presence or a violation of KRS 189A.010, not committed in his presence, for which an arrest without a warrant is permitted under KRS 431.005(1)(e).


    The first thing the bill does is assign to peace officers a responsibility previously reserved for judges, namely, deciding whether or not a given defendant can be expected to show up for court. Now, I can understand why police officers might not like that, because that's not really part of their jobs, but it seems to me it also gives them a lot of leeway in deciding whether or not to arrest a given suspect.

    Then it lists a bunch of exceptions, where arrests can be made, like assault, sexual offenses, weapons offenses, DUI, criminal trespass, some traffic violations, etc. I went through and Google'ed those statutes that it lists as exceptions and it seems to me they've pretty well got all the bases covered, and for the most part, the people that are going to be getting citations aren't going to be dangerous people that need to be gotten off the street. They're going to be people who will show up in court, and if they're first offenders, will most likely get probation, and maybe some kind of treatment. If they're repeat offenders, they're charges are going to be escalated to felonies anyway, so they'll arrest them. So you're basically just not arresting people that are going to get out on bail, and aren't going to be sentenced to jail time anyway, with the net effect being to save money, with no impact one way or the other on crime.

    At least, that's my take on it. The law just took effect a couple weeks ago. We'll have to wait and see if crime really does "skyrocket," as some in law enforcement are predicting.

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    Re: My day got exciting

    Quote Originally Posted by MsgMills View Post
    I agree, if all the prison populations had to actually do hard labor as punishment, the crimes commintted today would be very low... But hey these crooks know they can do as they please, if they get caught, they go to prison, get 3 squares a day, free tv, free exercising programs and sleep as often as they like and relax at the tax payer's expense.

    Bring back corporal punishment, like flogging and lash's to the backside with a bull whip.

    Caught stealing, lose a hand, caught 2 times..lose the other hand..caught a thrird time..death...

    Rape..get your balls cut off and planted in their mouths.if it's a woman.. that rapes...Red hot poker to the lower area...

    Murder...if convicted..taken out back and put a bullet in their head

    if caught in the act...bullett to the head on the spot..no questions asked....

    My laws should be enacted....
    How do you steal something without hands? LOL

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    Re: My day got exciting

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom523 View Post
    How do you steal something without hands? LOL
    lol..hey they got a mouth to use if they have no hands...

    btw, i've seen my wife use here toes to pick stuff up off the floor a time or two and she can sure pinch my legs with them when she's feelin like a Ralph and wants to pester me some......lol

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