Brooktrout

[Rockcreekchad]

20in is a nice fish!!! Before the dam work we would have days of maybe 4 to 8 browns 20 to 25in range and a lot of RB in that range!!! 35 fish day! How long do you all think it will take the river to come back? Or will it? Not done well the last 2 years!! I love that river!!!!!

[Rock_Fish]

Yes, The Brook Trout / Hybrids are doing great ! We catch a few every time We go out ! Recently caught one that was 13.5" long. They have to be 15" to keep ! I estimate By Fall they will be Keepers ! But I am told that You can only keep 1 per Day !

I am sure they are getting hauled out of here daily by people that either do not know , Or simply do not care !

[RICHYD4U]

Yes, The Brook Trout / Hybrids are doing great ! We catch a few every time We go out ! Recently caught one that was 13.5" long. They have to be 15" to keep ! I estimate By Fall they will be Keepers ! But I am told that You can only keep 1 per Day !

I am sure they are getting hauled out of here daily by people that either do not know , Or simply do not care !

WTG Rocky! I can guarantee people are putting those brookies on their stringers and hauling them away. KDFWR needs to really stay on top of people there around the dam to ensure that they are being taken out, and if they are....slap a big ol ticket on them sobs!

-Rich

[Rock_Fish]

WTG Rocky! I can guarantee people are putting those brookies on their stringers and hauling them away. KDFWR needs to really stay on top of people there around the dam to ensure that they are being taken out, and if they are....slap a big ol ticket on them sobs!

-Rich

Yep, I heard that they are going to install a hidden camera at the cleaning Station !!! That would pay for itself in a Hurry !!!

Really Sad that it has to come to that ! Most Bait Chunkers just cannot be Trusted to follow the Rules !!!

[RICHYD4U]

Yep, I heard that they are going to install a hidden camera at the cleaning Station !!! That would pay for itself in a Hurry !!!

Really Sad that it has to come to that ! Most Bait Chunkers just cannot be Trusted to follow the Rules !!!

True...true...I really think that in general, most of them are just not educated enough in trout species to determine what they have caughten. A little education would be beneficial, like on Kentucky A-Field or something.

Either way, it is cool that they are doing so well in the CR! I fully expect to catch a 3+ pound brookie when I come back to visit!

-Rich

[FlyLie]

Most Bait Chunkers just cannot be Trusted to follow the Rules !!!

I resent that statement, as I and my grand children often fish with live bait and your statement that MOST (which implies all) bait fisherman "cannot be Trusted to follow the rules" is absurd. Where in the hell do you find information to support such a statement? I spend a lot of time on the Cumberland and talk to quite a few BAIT fishermann. Sure, some bait fisherman take over the limit, as do spincasters, as do fly fishermen. So, let's not be so quick to judge.

[RICHYD4U]

I resent that statement, as I and my grand children often fish with live bait and your statement that MOST (which implies all) bait fisherman "cannot be Trusted to follow the rules" is absurd. Where in the hell do you find information to support such a statement? I spend a lot of time on the Cumberland and talk to quite a few BAIT fishermann. Sure, some bait fisherman take over the limit, as do spincasters, as do fly fishermen. So, let's not be so quick to judge.

I can't speak for Rocky, but what I think he is trying to say is that in this region of the country, trout are not abundant nor native. With the primary fishing game targeted being bass and panfish, most people around here simply do not recognize what type of trout they are catching, nor that there are different regulations for trout than the other gamefish in KY. This can lead to people (unknowingly) keeping browns and brookies under the slot limit. The generalization of "bait fishermen" comes from the understanding that most of us fly fishermen have basic knowledge in trout, and different species of trout...thus we are able to correctly identify the species and release it appropriately. Generally, most fly fisherman, including myself, are catch-and-release. This is another issue when dealing with trout and "bait fishermen", as trout caught in this manner nearly always die. I grew up bait fishing in Northern UT, and have nothing against it...although, I believe that bait-fishing in waters that have protective slot limits makes no sense, since you can not selectively target one species of trout over another...thus you may ultimately kill several under-slot browns/brookies simply by trying to release them after a swallowed hook. In all reality, the CR should be artificial baits only, much like numerous blue ribbon trout streams out west. The only exception to that rule on the CR should be the use of skip jack for stripers, and that's it IMO.

-Rich

[Rock_Fish]

I can't speak for Rocky, but what I think he is trying to say is that in this region of the country, trout are not abundant nor native. With the primary fishing game targeted being bass and panfish, most people around here simply do not recognize what type of trout they are catching, nor that there are different regulations for trout than the other gamefish in KY. This can lead to people (unknowingly) keeping browns and brookies under the slot limit. The generalization of "bait fishermen" comes from the understanding that most of us fly fishermen have basic knowledge in trout, and different species of trout...thus we are able to correctly identify the species and release it appropriately. Generally, most fly fisherman, including myself, are catch-and-release. This is another issue when dealing with trout and "bait fishermen", as trout caught in this manner nearly always die. I grew up bait fishing in Northern UT, and have nothing against it...although, I believe that bait-fishing in waters that have protective slot limits makes no sense, since you can not selectively target one species of trout over another...thus you may ultimately kill several under-slot browns/brookies simply by trying to release them after a swallowed hook. In all reality, the CR should be artificial baits only, much like numerous blue ribbon trout streams out west. The only exception to that rule on the CR should be the use of skip jack for stripers, and that's it IMO.

-Rich

Well Said Rich ! I agree ! And I do still Bait fish Myself from time to time.And My Wife and Kids do as well ! But My passion is FF ! My point is just what you said , It will be hard to ever have a trophy CR again when everything they stock gets carried out whether it is legal or not !

[Rock_Fish]

I resent that statement, as I and my grand children often fish with live bait and your statement that MOST (which implies all) bait fisherman "cannot be Trusted to follow the rules" is absurd. Where in the hell do you find information to support such a statement? I spend a lot of time on the Cumberland and talk to quite a few BAIT fishermann. Sure, some bait fisherman take over the limit, as do spincasters, as do fly fishermen. So, let's not be so quick to judge.

Wow Boone , Settle down or You will blow a gasket ! No need for Profanity ! I see a lot of them Myself make trip after trip to their Vehicle or Camp site and unload their catch and return to the River. Or Limit in the Morning, And then they Limit again in the evening ! In the same Fishin Hole ! I have never seen a Fly Fisherman that does that ! , Have You ?

[RICHYD4U]

Wow Boone , Settle down or You will blow a gasket ! No need for Profanity ! I see a lot of them Myself make trip after trip to their Vehicle or Camp site and unload their catch and return to the River. Or Limit in the Morning, And then they Limit again in the evening ! In the same Fishin Hole ! I have never seen a Fly Fisherman that does that ! , Have You ?

Did Boone change his name to FlyLie?

-Rich

[Rock_Fish]

I resent that statement, as I and my grand children often fish with live bait and your statement that MOST (which implies all) bait fisherman "cannot be Trusted to follow the rules" is absurd. Where in the hell do you find information to support such a statement? I spend a lot of time on the Cumberland and talk to quite a few BAIT fishermann. Sure, some bait fisherman take over the limit, as do spincasters, as do fly fishermen. So, let's not be so quick to judge.

Boone, I would like to add ! ( Take Your last line into consideration )

Let's not be so quick to judge !

You are reading more into My statement and adding that I " IMPLIED"

I did not imply anything ! I said what I meant when I said " MOST " !

That does not mean all ! That means there are exceptions ! I have good

friends and neighbors on the River ! and Family who I call " Bait Chunkers "

Who DO follow the rules !!! But the MOST i see out there are a Fishin to put

Meat on the table ! And they haul out everything they can !!!

[FlyLie]

I resent that statement, as I and my grand children often fish with live bait and your statement that MOST (which implies all) bait fisherman "cannot be Trusted to follow the rules" is absurd. Where in the hell do you find information to support such a statement? I spend a lot of time on the Cumberland and talk to quite a few BAIT fishermann. Sure, some bait fisherman take over the limit, as do spincasters, as do fly fishermen. So, let's not be so quick to judge.

Sorry, I was a bit over the top in my response. After re-reading the post, you did say most and I read in/interpereted it to be all and was qick to the trigger!. Let's just pass it off to my new pain med's which have me on edge like a 95 year old female on PMS!