A novel idea

[kygorski]

How many nof you guys work, I used to,so I really dont have much of a legitimate say here.What would you say if your boss called you into the office and asked you" what have you done in the past three weeks?"And you said " nothing".What would be your defense if he said he wanted you to return your pay for that period. Would that be unreasonable? Now you have a good sized staff to help you do nothing, who should pay them? Now if you and your staff didn't do anything for three weeks, do we need you?

[DJD]

If you do nothing for three weeks and get paid your in a Union or a politician. Now if your in the private sector and can get away with that your either a black, asian or pregnant woman maybe owners family member or having an affair with the boss. (settle down if these describe you...it's a joke...kinda)
Seriously if you don't make money for the company what good are you? Get someone who will. Forget paying the money back...your fired!

[kygorski]

Ahem!! I was in a union, in fact the president of a local OCAW 7-513, and frrankly you are full of s--t sometimes.Employers hire, and direct the work force in almost all manufactoring jobs. They have the right in ALL cases to terminate a worker before his probation period,so this GOOFING off was condoned, there are several reasons that this happened.One the initial cost of hiring, training,, and then starting all over again. Next where production is involved, the work has to get done,unions dont like having to prod lazy SOBS to hit the ball, in fact in many cases its ground for termination under the direct the work force clause in many labor contracts.I imagine you work with trade unions, different world.I started iron working when I got out of the army,the skilled workers came from a hall,that means that they aquired the skills in most cases to do the jobs that were rather more than just digging holes.You didn't hire a crane operator off the street, and expect him to boom beams up five floors, keeping it from knocking you off a scaffold.You didn't hire a yahoo to weld stainless steel high pressure pipe where hazardous processes were involved, you wanted a journeymen.I'm not to going to go into nepotism, federal employment quota hiring, and some other peculiar situations I had , You cannot deny a person union membership. I DIDN'T GET PAID BY THE UNION, HAD TO BE BONDED, AND MY EXPENSE ACCOUNT WAS AUDITED SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR. So when I see you spout this crap about all union workers just loafing it pi--es me off.I was brought up on charges in front of the NLRB four times, for race descrimination, sex descrimination and failure to deligently persue workers complaints, always cleared by the way. And why did this happen, finally the company took action, and fired a F__koff,Two cases they wound up paying anyway.I was also a technician, and did some non union construction work.Most americans are hard honest workers, not lawyers or politicians.

[stratosjoe]

Thanks KY I read this and it reminds me when I was teamster for 14 yrs stripping hand freight out of 48' trlrs that were loaded high and tight in 100 degree days or 15 below no ac no heat or dock hostling trailers moving 125 in 8 hours climbing in and out of the hostler opening and closing doors and kicking chocks man that was so easy i had all this extra time to sit on my azz and do nothing. I always laugh when I read this on this site cause we all know all blacks are lazy&worthless all germans are Nazi's, all jews are stingy and last but not least all southern boys are stupid rednecks.

[kygorski]

Gubment? Where did this come from? And no white folks are on welfare.Like I said earlier, ifmccain had won, there would be NO T party. Its only because someone other than a white old man won the election. Yet these same guys that can't stand to bear a black president , will go bananas over a 7 ft semi literate knuckle dragging basket ball player.If I got this right there might be one black T party member, elected from the most affluent district in florida.

[mhall]

Gorski you have to be the biggest liberal I know, Wait a minute I don't know you, so I recant and say you are the biggest liberal I have ever seen make posts on a public forum, and I mean BAR NONE....

[kygorski]

Thanks, That means I'm not narow minded, or biased, and can see the other persons side of things sometimes.

[kygorski]

I also have piece of paper thanking me for my honerable service to this country, where the freedom of speech is a right.

[stratosjoe]

me too ,Gives me the right to my opinion just as everyone else has their right as well. I don't mind that a person has a different viewpoint than me but i do mind when a flat across the board comment covers everyone under the same blanket.

[Dave Stewart]

I also have piece of paper thanking me for my honerable service to this country, where the freedom of speech is a right.

Your freedom of speech does not extend to this forum or this site...it is privately owned and has rules which you will abide by or your right to post here will be terminated. If I see one more post like the one you put up here this morning with references to cuss words, after Peter just asked folks not to do that...you will pay the price...I am not as patient as Peter.

P.S. My boss just asked me if I did any work the past 3 weeks....my reply was have you done anything worthwhile the past 3 weeks other than harass your employee...(me). Then I realized I was talking to myself since I am my boss and my employee.

[waterdog101]

I to am a union worker, and after working 10 hours on the job. I don't have any trouble sleeping. something some of you guys that don't like unions might not know. the union are the ones that set the prevailing wage in ky. if ky ever becomes a right to work state, instead of your scale pay being 25.00 per hour, it will be more like 12.50 per hour. and even if your not a union worker, you would get a big pay cut at your job, because where theres a union, nonunion jobs close by try to pay close to the union scale. the same job I do here in ky, if I did it in the right to work states located south of ky. my pay would be cut in half. I'm proud to be a union worker, because I like getting payed when I work hard.

[DJD]

LOL purely made a little joke on the Union comment and I thought it would be taken with a little humor. I know many good folks in Unions and I know bad ones. Same goes for private sector jobs.

For the record and all joking aside...I don't care for Unions, I never hid that from anyone on this site. I never worked around steel workers but have around many other unions and yes most are trade unions.

Give me a few hours around some of them and I'll hear or see waste totally based on the fact they are in a Union. Sorry if you don't like it but I base my opinion on what I have experienced and experience almost daily in the Educational Bid market in Kentucky.

No hard feelings KYGorski.....we just differ in opinions on this.