A novel idea

[elnutsmalljaws]

I don't vote, never voted, NEVER WILL. This way I take no blame or credit for the Government. I will say, when was the last President voted into office that actually lived up to the campaign and actually do IN OFFICE what he said he would do in order to get elected? I can promise the world to get elected but it is THE WALK NOT THE TALK that gets things changed. I for one believe we are in the midst of MANY years of downward spiraling to which the end will be millionaires and poverty. There will not be a middle class, unions and there ridiculous contracts or not. When a watermelon cost $7, corn is $5 a dozen, gas and milk is $3.80 a gallon there is no end in sight to the rising cost of everything, foreclosures and bankruptcy. Face it we are in a depression and the only difference to today and 80 years ago is there are more people living on credit and above their means because some government program will bail them out short term. But long term, 40 years from now, WHAT????

[Tom523]

Care to explain this, because it's said often on his board and really the only thing I can think of that this administration has put into place that would even be remotley considered "far left" is the Healthcare bill.

Now if you consider Bush's policies as being "far left" then I guess we could agree because Obama has continued many, many of his policies much to the dismay of those on the left.

There are many laws that Obama is still trying to push through such as card check ( The employee free choice act, The cap and trade on industry, and his policies such as the moratorium on drilling in the gulf, restricting oil leases, idea of wealth redistribution, immigration policy, no enforcement of immigration law, bringing law suits against states the want to enforce the law. Having the ATF sell guns across the border then complain that american gun laws are too lax because they found many guns from the U.S involved in crimes in Mexico. Spending billions to help the people in Libya when the same thing is happening in Syria and not a word is said. Just to name a few.

[coombro]

Heck, don't give up now. Keep on fighting the good fight in trying to make the world a better place....that's what we're all supposed to be doing. I do agree with you though on the part about the golden ager's who lived in the best of times, back when there was anywhere from no channels to three channels on the television, back when everyone drove a Chevy, Chrysler or Ford, back when the majority of women stayed home. Not sure what you're golden age is but my dad who recently passed away at the age of 83 told me I'm in my golden years right now and don't realize it (49).

Golden years in life maybe yet overshadowed by the economy.

[coombro]

I would say graduating at the bottom of the class at the Naval Academy is about the equivalent to graduating at the top of the class at UK, U of L or most of our in state schools.

What do you call a doctor who scores a 78 on his tests= A doctor.

[GeoFisher]

There are many laws that Obama is still trying to push through such as card check ( The employee free choice act, The cap and trade on industry, and his policies such as the moratorium on drilling in the gulf, restricting oil leases, idea of wealth redistribution, immigration policy, no enforcement of immigration law, bringing law suits against states the want to enforce the law. Having the ATF sell guns across the border then complain that american gun laws are too lax because they found many guns from the U.S involved in crimes in Mexico. Spending billions to help the people in Libya when the same thing is happening in Syria and not a word is said. Just to name a few.

BOOM................You hit the nail on the head.

[Tom523]

I enjoy good intelligent debate. Thanks to all you guys!

[elnutsmalljaws]

Get rid of the Parties. Seems the words Republican or Democrat are far more important than the actual name of the Congressman, Senator, Governor and such. The Democrats control the Senate or the Republicans control the Senate, who cares what party controls. Quit voting down "party lines", MAN UP and vote on the bill or law based on your individual beliefs. It was not necessarily all "one" party denominated voters that put someone in office so to heck with Dems and Repubs, state your case for or against then let the Congress of Individuals or House of Individuals vote. How many bills or laws are voted into existence by the Domination of one party or the other? How many of these would have passed if not for the peer pressure of voting down party lines? I bet there are just as many millionaires from both parties and just as many from both parties in poverty.

How bad is it, I have gone from a 750 credit rating, $200,000 house with $70,000 equity in it, to foreclosure because it would not sell after 2 years on the market and priced at $170,000, to cashing in 401K, all savings, renting a home and on the brink of bankruptcy with owing $125,000 in medical bills because I got sick WITH VERY GOOD INSURANCE. I could not finance a spinnerbait all because my wife works for the State Gobernment and makes $35,000 a year. This salary plus my disability is supposed to pay my medical bills plus let us live and raise a 7 year old. There are no "government programs" available to help up but my daughter has a friend with 2 kids and the gov puts her up in an apartment, pays her electric bill plus gives her WIC and $600 month food stamps. Her parents have a 4 bedroom $300,000 house on the other side of town. When a mother and kids have options then why give them free stuff. We paid on a house for 2 years, dropped the price almost 20%, used all our money trying to do the right thing but after everything is gone you wonder why? I would have been better off not paying from day 1 on any of my "responsibilities" and told them all to stick it, blew the money on vacations and such for my family then end up here anyways. Each and everyone of you here are just one hernia, staff infection bout to where you are off work for a couple of years to being in the same boat as me.

[elnutsmalljaws]

I enjoy good intelligent debate. Thanks to all you guys!

I am not intelligent so don't put me in that category

[pontooner]

There are many laws that Obama is still trying to push through such as card check ( The employee free choice act, The cap and trade on industry, and his policies such as the moratorium on drilling in the gulf, restricting oil leases, idea of wealth redistribution, immigration policy, no enforcement of immigration law, bringing law suits against states the want to enforce the law. Having the ATF sell guns across the border then complain that american gun laws are too lax because they found many guns from the U.S involved in crimes in Mexico. Spending billions to help the people in Libya when the same thing is happening in Syria and not a word is said. Just to name a few.

Whens the last time you heard a peep about cap and trade? It's been a good 2 years since I've heard anything about it. Cap and trade is dead.

Obama opened up the Gulf to drilling and then the Gulf oil spill happened, I could be wrong but I think they opened up parts of it again.

Obama has done just as much or more on immigration as any recent POTUS.

Are gun laws really a lot stricter now than when Obama came into office? I really have no idea myself so that's why I'm asking but there was a lot of chicken littles posting about Obama taking their guns.

How is spending money in one country and not another a left thing?



Still don't see how you get "Right now with this administration we are heading this country so far left" after Obama extended the Bush tax cuts, has kept GITMO open, deported record number of illegals, extended the Patriot Act, kept both wars going and even started his own little war in Lybia just to mention a few of the not so left things he's done.

[Tom523]

Whens the last time you heard a peep about cap and trade? It's been a good 2 years since I've heard anything about it. Cap and trade is dead.

Obama opened up the Gulf to drilling and then the Gulf oil spill happened, I could be wrong but I think they opened up parts of it again.

Obama has done just as much or more on immigration as any recent POTUS.

Are gun laws really a lot stricter now than when Obama came into office? I really have no idea myself so that's why I'm asking but there was a lot of chicken littles posting about Obama taking their guns.

How is spending money in one country and not another a left thing?



Still don't see how you get "Right now with this administration we are heading this country so far left" after Obama extended the Bush tax cuts, has kept GITMO open, deported record number of illegals, extended the Patriot Act, kept both wars going and even started his own little war in Lybia just to mention a few of the not so left things he's done.

Cap and trade may be dead s. But the only reason it is, is because republicans fought it tooth and nail to kill it.Obama was willing to let the Bush tax cuts expire but the republicans again stood their ground and would not sign the budget until they were included in it. Everything Obama has done on immigration is eye wash. He hopes to have an amnesty plan to allow 13 million illegal immigrants to vote in the next election. If he succeeds then he's a shoe in. If he really wanted to cut the budget he would enforce immigration laws and tighten security at border. Then stop the flow of cash across the border into Mexico. This would cause many illegals to leave. The drain on our school systems and healthcare facilities would diminish. He should stop social security payments to illegals that haven't paid a dime into it. Stop college scholarships for illegal immigrants and stop federal aid to sanctuary cities.Operation fast and furious was preparation to gain political support for stricter gun laws. Watch for him to tighten gun laws soon. Spending money that we don't have is stupid. The country is all ready fighting two wars and has a huge deficit. Why go into Libya? To get us deeper in debt? He can't justify it because the same thing is happening in Syria and he didn't go in there. Don't tell me that the budget crisis is not his fault. He spent 3 trillion dollars since he has been in office and we still have a 9% unemployment rate. He jokes about his shovel ready projects while people are out of work.

[DJD]

I am a benefactor of the prevailing wage law. And if you ask me it's a big waste of money. Sure I love making $40 an hr. Yet the money the state pays out to these wages is ridiculous. Also tried the union and I worked to hard to be a union man. Worked at Ford motor during shut downs and my daily assignment was stay awake. Not enough work to keep me occupied for my 12 hr. shift. I'm all for my boss making money if he doesn't he'll be forced to shut down and that's the end of the job. If there's nothing for me to do send me home. I'm not against the unions at all. Yet when I was in I was working for the company and not the union. Most guys I worked with were working for the union and not the company.

I hear ya man...here is another example of what makes me shake my head in disgust...we are bidding a school job in a few weeks. Guess what the prevailing wage is for an electrician in that county? $51.83! Really, how is this reality? Imagine how that job is gonna go as it tries to close out and get ready to open. I can bet some guys will milk that wage!!!

So because of the Unions getting this prevailing wage into law take a look at this worker who was maybe making $45-55k a year with his experience and license and he gets on a job for a year or more making $107, 806 a year. Anyone wonder why the state has a hard time finding money for other things? This is just for electricians.

On this job....(figures are straight out of the bid documents) A laborer makes $20.62 an hour, Ironworker $44.31, Cement Masons $34.31 and on and on. Years ago the schools were built, people made money and all was well except for the spoiled Unions. They couldn't bid these jobs since they paid so much to the men so they scratched the back of politicians and got this law passed to help them compete. Well it hasn't worked very well since they still get almost nothing in the public educational state funded projects. Now, what happens is the private sector is charging the state more for the projects and they are getting tossed together... because you can lose your butt on these jobs if they run over on labor.

I visit these jobs and trust me there is alot of "oh well i'm getting my "X" amount of money I don't care how long it takes" attitude going on. Human nature is what it is.

[pontooner]

Cap and trade may be dead s. But the only reason it is, is because republicans fought it tooth and nail to kill it.Obama was willing to let the Bush tax cuts expire but the republicans again stood their ground and would not sign the budget until they were included in it. Everything Obama has done on immigration is eye wash. He hopes to have an amnesty plan to allow 13 million illegal immigrants to vote in the next election. If he succeeds then he's a shoe in. If he really wanted to cut the budget he would enforce immigration laws and tighten security at border. Then stop the flow of cash across the border into Mexico. This would cause many illegals to leave. The drain on our school systems and healthcare facilities would diminish. He should stop social security payments to illegals that haven't paid a dime into it. Stop college scholarships for illegal immigrants and stop federal aid to sanctuary cities.Operation fast and furious was preparation to gain political support for stricter gun laws. Watch for him to tighten gun laws soon. Spending money that we don't have is stupid. The country is all ready fighting two wars and has a huge deficit. Why go into Libya? To get us deeper in debt? He can't justify it because the same thing is happening in Syria and he didn't go in there. Don't tell me that the budget crisis is not his fault. He spent 3 trillion dollars since he has been in office and we still have a 9% unemployment rate. He jokes about his shovel ready projects while people are out of work.

This was your quote "Right now with this administration we are heading this country so far left that democracy is doomed to fail" and I pointed out many examples of Bush's policies that Obama has kept in place for whatever reason and you still think we are headed that way.


"Eye wash", okay I guess deporting record numbers of illegals is eye wash and every recent POTUS was doing all they could to stop illegals from getting in and mooching off the system.

And where did you hear about this amnesty plan?

Also again with the stricter gun laws that I've head about before he was even elected.

Already asked this once but how is invading Lybia a left idea?

Tell me that the budget crisis is all his fault.