A question of values.......

[Tim_T]

Can't remember now how it goes but they're used to be a saying of something like it takes a mom and dad to support a child but it takes an entire village to raise it.....or something to this affect anyway.

Chub has been secretly reading Hilary Clinton's book LOL! Tim Wilson has a song called "It Takes a Village to raise a nut!" It is a pretty funny song.

[Chubminnow]

Chub has been secretly reading Hilary Clinton's book LOL! Tim Wilson has a song called "It Takes a Village to raise a nut!" It is a pretty funny song.

I only read the excerpts...you must have read them too or you wouldn't know where I got it from, lol...

All kidding aside I don't have a book going right now...but I'm considering one titled "The Last Stand of the Tinned Canned Sailors" by James D. Hornfischer. It's based on the greatest UPSET in U.S. Naval warfare. And with college ball right here with us now I know how you guys all like upsets.

[elnutsmalljaws]

I only read the excerpts...you must have read them too or you wouldn't know where I got it from, lol...

All kidding aside I don't have a book going right now...but I'm considering one titled "The Last Stand of the Tinned Canned Sailors" by James D. Hornfischer. It's based on the greatest UPSET in U.S. Naval warfare. And with college ball right here with us now I know how you guys all like upsets.

Everytime Kentucky loses a Basketball game it is an upset. EVERYTIME Indiana wins a game it is an upset

[GeoFisher]

Everytime Kentucky loses a Basketball game it is an upset. EVERYTIME Indiana wins a game it is an upset

Leave Indiana out of it.........I didn't pick on KY during their Sutton years......

OK......maybe a little.....

Indiana will be better this year, but time will tell if they will EVER be as good as they once were........

[elnutsmalljaws]

Leave Indiana out of it.........I didn't pick on KY during their Sutton years......

OK......maybe a little.....

Indiana will be better this year, but time will tell if they will EVER be as good as they once were........

Eddie "Boozer" Sutton????? That is the best you can come up with. That was a LONG time ago. Kentucky has won a couple of titles since Sutton but of course Indiana's last title came before Sutton ran UK in the ground. At least you could have brought up the last Drunk at the helm of UK, Billy "DUI" Gillespie.

[GeoFisher]

Not sure where the "lies" part fits into all that...who actually knows? Guess only the big guy himself.

What I find really interesting about Joseph Smith's story, is that he was persecuted his entire life, and eventually killed for believing in a very, very passive religion...one that focuses on the very conept of Christianity. I thought this was supposed to be the United States...freedom of religion...what was up with that? And the people that did this to him and his followers, were from various "christian" faiths...how did they justify that I wonder. Very interesting...

Also interesting...two major republican presidential candidates are Mormon...Romney & Huntsman. Would you vote for them regardless if it came down to it? Just curious...I find the Mormon religion fascinating.

-Rich

Mormons are some of the BEST people I know.....Smith, in my mind was not a prophet..that is the basis of the lies. Golden Tablets, another lie....but that is neither here nor there.

It does NOT matter if I believe or not. Folks believe that and WHO am I to judge them. I've made decisions based on what I think, and had some influence that may have been unintended.....I still would have changed my views on Mormonism.

I would vote for Romney........Not for Huntsman.....Politically Romney is closer to what I'd choose for a president..but he's not the BEST choice of the bunch.

Huntsman is what many here would call a moderate republican, and I have NO STOMACH for them.......Romney is too, but not nearly to the level of Huntsman.

And for the record......I had to hold my nose when I pulled the lever for McCain......although McCain gets more of a by on quite a lot of bs because of his unwavering LOVE for his country and his years in a VC torture camp.

Later,

Geo

[HURRICANEBOB]

I think you and learn and live a moral and ethical life without a lot of religion. Military service establishes a tough set of standards to live by. Drill seargeants are nt chaplains, but they still get their values and ethics engrained in to those they train.

[Chubminnow]

And for the record......I had to hold my nose when I pulled the lever for McCain......although McCain gets more of a by on quite a lot of bs because of his unwavering LOVE for his country and his years in a VC torture camp.

His love for our country, it's citizens and his years in the VC torture camp were my reasons for voting for him...plus the fact that I knew for certain that if Nobama got elected we would head down hill...and sure enough, look where we're at now....MUCH farther down hill than we were prior to Nobama.

[mhall]

Was raised from two people that had STRONG faith and was taught with my brothers and sister to be the same way. I was the youngest of four and was an Oops baby. My parents were older and old school to the core. My Dad was a Sea Bee in WWII, my mother was a Labratory technician at Central State Hospital for 30 years before retiring.
Dad was a welder by trade and also retired after 24 years at Pohl Iron works. I tell you that to give you some scale as to how I was raised and to answer your question.

I was taught nothing absolutely nothing is free and easy, you work for it. You treat people the way you want to be treated and be NICE. I still to this very day open doors for women and say Yes Mam and No Sir...all the time. It's a habit I'm proud of. Amongst many other CHRISTIAN BASED values they instilled, I believe this was the basic moral foundation in which they tried to lay for us. When we did something wrong we got in trouble to, big time. My Dad couldn't stand people that were bums and take hand outs, I saw him work three jobs at a time when I was very young, and he didn't complain.

Jesus works people, believe it in your heart always, basic moral values and good common sense ethical ways of life are the way to go.

I will say this as a caviat. There is a person on this site that will remain nameless that is unsure about the after life, the possibilty of there being a God and heavan ect. With that said I will also say that he is one of the kindest most thoughful and generous person I have ever met in my life. He would give you the shirt off of his back and would always try to do the right thing. Had to add that in there.

[DJD]

I was raised with a little bit of Catholic School for a few years spent summers in Georgia attending a Southern Baptist Church and my mom is a practicing Budhist. I became a Christian years ago. Dad was a 30 Navy man, I had two years of ROTC and I served 4 years in the Army so I also had that kind of discipline.
No matter where I was at in my life I always had the same basic teachings of values and being considerate of others. Most people I associate with think the same way as I do about what's right and wrong.
As far as saying I had Christ in my life...that would be once I asked for Jesus to be in my heart. Once I accepted that I changed. I didn't become above others or better or perfect I just admitted I can't do it alone and that I'm gonna need some help and guidance. Sure I'm gonna sin and screw up but he knows that..... That's part of the deal.

[mhall]

Nicely put Don...

[GeoFisher]

To be clear........I'm not saying that those with no Religious background have no morals or values......Rather, I'm wondering how/where they came from. I'm assuming that people get moral and values from being taught those traits.........Who taught them, and how does that apply to them passing on those traits.

Seems to be basic common values and morality are sorely missing from my generation and and my kids generation.......NOT implying that my kids don't have morals and values because THEY DO.

Later,

Geo