Geo no offense taken I was just stating position.

As an observation, it seems as if an outsider (such as a parent, mentor, etc.) teaches a solid set or morals and ethical values a person often times ends up the same as a person that was raised by the moral and ethical lessons taught in the bible. It was just a different person doing the teaching.

My parents did a good job.

NOw my brother will sometimes knock the need for religion but he is still a little young and has some "MACHO" in him. His moral compass points the right direction as well.

Sometimes I relate the entry into heaven to the NCAA basketball tournament selection show, jokingly of course. I'm guessing myself to be an at-large entity in about the 4 seed range........