Quote Originally Posted by RoadToad View Post
I'm glad to see somebody else posting that the earth is actually warming. I've posted before that my position is basically that yes, it is warming, but the question is: how much of it is nature, and how much of it is human influence? And when I did, I was shot down by others denying that there is even a warming trend going on, claiming that the data has been manipulated, and it's all just one huge conspiracy.

Al Gore is a tool, we all agree on that. His doomsday predictions were way exaggerated, and spun for maximum effect. But that doesn't mean there's nothing to it. We have dumped such enormous quantities of pollutants into the atmosphere, and razed such vast expanses of forest, that it's naive to expect we wouldn't have had any effect on the climate.

The "carbon credits" idea won't do much, if anything, to help the situation, in my view. But we do need to do something to reduce emissions, and not just carbon emissions. I don't have a solution, but please don't pretend there's no problem.

And just think the pubs want to all but get rid of the EPA.

Bob even though not much was made of the science before the times you mentioned the data the they use for the studies dates back much, much longer than 31 years.


Here's a good starting place with lots of ino for anyone interested in climate change or even for you non-belivers to visit and make fun of.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...05/start-here/


I don't think anyone with a brain would argue that the climate has and always be changing but if you look at the rate it's changing then you have to wonder what might be causing it.

Here's a quote from one of the linked articles in the link above.

"The main reason for the current concern about climate change is the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration (and some other greenhouse gases), which is very unusual for the Quaternary (about the last two million years). The concentration of CO2 is now known accurately for the past 650,000 years from antarctic ice cores. During this time, CO2 concentration varied between a low of 180 ppm during cold glacial times and a high of 300 ppm during warm interglacials. Over the past century, it rapidly increased well out of this range, and is now 379 ppm (see Chapter 2). For comparison, the approximately 80-ppm rise in CO2 concentration at the end of the past ice ages generally took over 5,000 years"