seen a clip were another repr. wanted to make a bill making the treasury to mint baseball hall of fame coins. This is pure nonsese!How many of you have spent a presedential dollar coin?
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seen a clip were another repr. wanted to make a bill making the treasury to mint baseball hall of fame coins. This is pure nonsese!How many of you have spent a presedential dollar coin?
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I would be a lot more excited about the In God We Trust legislation if we actually did.
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Ronald Reagan stated, " If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under".
A real concern for America in my opinion.
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If plastering "In God We Trust" everywhere is so important to our country, then why didn't the Founding Fathers do it? And why is it we got along just fine without it as a national motto until 1956?
And yeah, they couldn't find anything more important to do with their time?
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I agree with Al Mohler about this issue.
In summary, Mohler agrees with court findings that "In God We Trust" represents "civil religion". That is, something that has absolutely no theological impact whatsoever, and it's dangerous to confuse civil religion with faith in Christ.
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Atheists will NOT win on this issue....at least I hope not.Originally Posted by RoadToad
God is plastered all over our founding DOCUMENTS. Read a few.
Had our founding fathers ever thought that our beloved gubment would try to remove God from our lives, well they might have taken some other issues.
Separation of Church and State or whatever you WANT to call it was all about not creating a CHURCH of the United States.....The Church of England and government of England were one in the same. Our founders didn't want that, but they certainly also DIDN'T want gubment banning the 10 commandments, or redacting GOD from documents, or GOD FORBID....gay marriage.
GIVE me a break.
Later,
Geo
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I couldn't care less if it is on there or not, the whole thing is so ridiculous it should be in a bad movie, not something our government is debating while the country goes to hell in a handbasket. Seriously, has anybody ever thought about doing something morally or legally wrong, suddenly looked at a nickle and read those words and then had a change of heart? The whole thing would be laughable, except there is not a thing funny about it!
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Please show me where God is "plastered all over our founding DOCUMENTS." Because despite your condescending suggestion that I "read a few," i already have. Apparently more than you, because I can tell you that God is NOT "plastered all over" any of our founding documents. The references to God are actually rather sparse. And the government (or "gubment," as you like to call it) has never banned the 10 Commandments, nor has anybody asked them to.
And much as you would like to believe otherwise, it's not just atheists arguing for separation of church & state. There are quite a few religious leaders with the wisdom to see how mixing religion and government is bad for both.
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"Do you swear to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth........So help you GOD."
I guess the very FOUNDATION of our judicial system means nothing.
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Here is some reading for you:
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html
AND if banning the 10 Commandments has not been going on, then, what do you call this?
http://www.gainesville.com/article/2...CLES/110719637
Later,
Geo
I trust him, so much I don't micromanage him by trying to talk to him every Sunday. I figure if he needs my input, he'll let me know.
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It appeared on coins in the late 1800's, but it was not our motto until the 50's. It became our motto around the time we added the line "under god" to the pledge. Back when we thought our greatest weapon against the spread of communism was christianity.
Our founding fathers purposefully stayed away from religion in our original documents. The only mention of religion in the original constitution was: "[N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." The bill of rights was added several years later in response to other states creating their own. But the Bill of rights further suggest that the government can not encourage or support any one religion.
About the 10 commandments - why are people so insistent that they are posted in public places? I just don't get it. Why would they belong in front of a courthouse - that by law is not permitted to show support of any one religion over another.
It just seems that the very people that are so determined that these be posted every where, also have them posted throughout their home and church. I think it is great you are instilling these values in your house for your children and family. But do you think their lack of them being posted everywhere outside of your house is going to de-moralize your family?
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