LSU Vs BAMA

[Tim_T]

Why not indeed. I'll concede your point, as long as I don't have to watch teams play on that Godawful blue field of theirs. If they do get a shot, I'll bet you a beer (if we ever meet in person) LSU wins by at least 2 TD's.

I wouldn't take that bet because I believe LSU is the best team and have said so on this very board. Besides, I don't drink!

If the NCAA basketball champion was determined using these methods people would go nuts! Heck, using the flawed logic of the BCS and many fans, Butler wouldn't have been in the tournament, much less gotten a shot at the title. UConn wouldn't have been last years champion, because they wouldn't have gotten invited because they only finished ninth in their conference.

The point is, Bpoise St. is just has good as most anybody and should get a shot. I guess the big schools are getting scared of them because they keep losing to them. Ask Oklahoma or Georgia if they want any of the Broncos!

Heck, if they were in the SEC east this year they would win it and play LSU for the SEC title.

[DJD]

Georgia is playing like a different team right now. Their defense is off the charts good and the running game is crazy good. Boise state would have their hands full with this team now. Boise is good but they can be beat. TCU proved that.

[Tim_T]

I understand that Georgia has improved since the season started, but so has every team in the country, Georgia is more the rule rather than the exception. Obviously anybody can be beat, as TCU proved this weekend. I guess it is hard to fathom to some that good football can be played anywhere else but the SEC.

[DJD]

Naw plenty of teams play good ball but in the last 5 years the championship has come through the SEC. I just love good football ...... As long as Ohio Sate doesn't win another one I'll be ok!

[Tim_T]

Don, don't misnderstand me. I agree the road to the title goes through the SEC and rightfully so. My only point is that some people act like the SEC is the only place that plays football and that if you are in the SEC you are automaticlly worthy of something without earning it. While there is Alabama, LSU, Arkansas etc. there is also Kentucky, Vanderbilt and the Mississippi schools and recently Tennessee that would not win any of the BCS conferences.

The whole system sstinks and is the only thing holding college football back from being the biggest sport in the country.

[Devils Horse]

Don, don't misnderstand me. I agree the road to the title goes through the SEC and rightfully so. My only point is that some people act like the SEC is the only place that plays football and that if you are in the SEC you are automaticlly worthy of something without earning it. While there is Alabama, LSU, Arkansas etc. there is also Kentucky, Vanderbilt and the Mississippi schools and recently Tennessee that would not win any of the BCS conferences.

The whole system sstinks and is the only thing holding college football back from being the biggest sport in the country.

I conceded your point, but you seem to want to argue anyway. Fine by me.

I haven't seen anyone acting like the SEC is the only place where football is played. It's just the best place football is played. Period.

Aside from LSU, Alabama, and Arkansas, Georgia is playing very well lately. Year in and year out you can also expect Florida and Auburn to be top 25 and likely top 5. Miss State, and Ole Miss usually field some good teams too. Vandy would fare better in most any other conference too.

The BCS, and college football in general is certainly flawed, but it's still the biggest amateur sport in the country. I disagree any amateur sport could eclipse pro football, unless the owners' and players' greed puts them on lock out/strike.

I also disagree with you more or less saying college basketball is the shining example. It's not. Every year schools get in the tournament, sometimes because of who they are, while others who deserve to be there wind up in the NIT. For example, UK IMO has probabaly gotten some preferential treatment in the tournament brackets/seedings a time or 2 because of who they are.

BTW, I fell asleep just after the second half started last night, but UK has some serious talent. All that streetball mugging and posing after a good play shows they have long way to go mentally. If you could put Duke players' brains in their bodies, they'd be unbeatable.

[Tim_T]

I conceded your point, but you seem to want to argue anyway. Fine by me.

I haven't seen anyone acting like the SEC is the only place where football is played. It's just the best place football is played. Period.

Aside from LSU, Alabama, and Arkansas, Georgia is playing very well lately. Year in and year out you can also expect Florida and Auburn to be top 25 and likely top 5. Miss State, and Ole Miss usually field some good teams too. Vandy would fare better in most any other conference too.

The BCS, and college football in general is certainly flawed, but it's still the biggest amateur sport in the country. I disagree any amateur sport could eclipse pro football, unless the owners' and players' greed puts them on lock out/strike.

I also disagree with you more or less saying college basketball is the shining example. It's not. Every year schools get in the tournament, sometimes because of who they are, while others who deserve to be there wind up in the NIT. For example, UK IMO has probabaly gotten some preferential treatment in the tournament brackets/seedings a time or 2 because of who they are.

BTW, I fell asleep just after the second half started last night, but UK has some serious talent. All that streetball mugging and posing after a good play shows they have long way to go mentally. If you could put Duke players' brains in their bodies, they'd be unbeatable.

Sorry, but I was not arguing, nor was I replying to your post. I was replying to what DJD said. The reason college basketball is the shining example is it is the best system. It is decided on the court, not by some people voting who have never seen many of the teams play.

I don't like thre showboating either. I don't like it when Louisville does it or any other team. That being said, get used toit, that is Cal's style, his teams at Memphis acted like that and he has not changed anything at UK.

[Devils Horse]

Sorry, but I was not arguing, nor was I replying to your post. I was replying to what DJD said. The reason college basketball is the shining example is it is the best system. It is decided on the court, not by some people voting who have never seen many of the teams play.

I don't like thre showboating either. I don't like it when Louisville does it or any other team. That being said, get used toit, that is Cal's style, his teams at Memphis acted like that and he has not changed anything at UK.

Apologies, I didn't mean to hijack your post to DJD. Well truth be told, I did. Your comments were more than I could take.

So in college basketball there is no such thing as tournament at large bids decided by people voting? Certain conferences aren't subjectively granted more slots than others? Tournament invitations and seeding aren't decided by a committee vote?

I thought the football BCS system was based on statistical formulas run through the computer. The intent being to eliminate the old polling system, which when you think about is still in use by college basketball.

Come on now.

[DJD]

Lol DH it's no sweat man it all works for me! Im cooler than the other side of the pillow

[Tim_T]

Apologies, I didn't mean to hijack your post to DJD. Well truth be told, I did. Your comments were more than I could take.

So in college basketball there is no such thing as tournament at large bids decided by people voting? Certain conferences aren't subjectively granted more slots than others? Tournament invitations and seeding aren't decided by a committee vote?

I thought the football BCS system was based on statistical formulas run through the computer. The intent being to eliminate the old polling system, which when you think about is still in use by college basketball.

Come on now.

The tournament does have at large bids, but there is a ton of research and debate that goes on before those spots are final, a whole lot more research than what goes on with the BCS. Also, the polling system has nothing to do with who plays for the National Championship. Plus in the BCS two human polls are factored in, the Coaches Poll and one other (the AP sued to stop them from using their poll). There is never anyone left out of the NCAA tourney that has a chance to win it all and they have all season to prove themselves. Also because there is a tournament, the good teams don't mind playing the other good teams, which is not always the case in college football.

[Big Gills]

Thanks Devilhorse for explaining the SEC so now I understand what you boys are talking about when i read the football threads. You must be joking when you talk about the CFL going out of business up here. No sir the CFL is strong. Have you heard of the Montreal Alouttes, Winnipeg Bluebombers, Edmonton Eskimos(My personal fav), Calgary Stampeders etc. It has the same set up and run the same as the American professional league. We dont do university sports on tv like you folks due as they young men can play all they want but they have school work to do that is more important so no spotlights are put on them. If they are good then they get recruited to the big leagues. The it is on tv. Now football is the second popular sport here to watch cuz of course hockey is number 1 in our books. I would like to see your professional league AFL winning team play our CFL winning team. I think that would be fun and good sportmanship. They could call it the North American championship and get a big trophy.

[DJD]

I would like to see Canadian football franchises in the NFL. they could field as good a team as here since players from everywhere can be on these teams, just have to be good enough.