Church and State

[kydonky]

kydonky, if your address shown is correct, you're in Frankfort? If so, there is a tremendous amount of money spent locally on charity. ROSM, the food kitchen, St. Vincent dePaul, there's a pretty long list.

As for after school care, there's a big reason most churches don't do it--liability. I think it's hard to blame them, with so many people out there willing to file frivolous lawsuits.

Yes, I very much agree there are some that do a lot. I just saying there are some that operate like a country club. I'm not against churches, even if they do just serve members. God bless them for providing life guidence to their flocks.

Just these concerns are reasons church and state should be seperate. They fill voids left by each other. Government should not mandate beliefs and religions should not be mandated services to provide.

[Chubminnow]

You all bring up some pretty decent reasons why church and state should be separate. Can't say I disagree with much of what has been wrote here. But separate as in how separate??? Should we go so far as to take In God We Trust off our currency? Should we not allow prayer in schools? Having to call the 5th graders "Christmas Program" a "Winter Holiday Play" instead? Guess I don't care who gets offended just because it's against some "foriegn family's" religeon who lives here and can't speak english very well. Guess I'm pretty much fed up with going in Walmart or Kroger or where ever and have what seems like nearly half of the other customers there speak some language that I don't know.

As for that Church on Blankenbaker....man that's a big one!! I've heard there's a shopping mall inside of it...full size gymnasium, a workout facility, you name it. Plus I've heard they have church services there at just about any hour of any day so as to fit with anyone's schedule. I prefer a "whole in the wall" church myself.

[pontooner]

Guess I'm pretty much fed up with going in Walmart or Kroger or where ever and have what seems like nearly half of the other customers there speak some language that I don't know.

Maybe you should take some forigen language courses and then you wouldn't feel left out, shoot you might even hear what DVD player they prefer, what they are having for supper...... or better yet hear some evil plot they have to take over your local Kroger or Walmart so you could notify your local police.

[GeoFisher]

Maybe you should take some forigen language courses and then you wouldn't feel left out, shoot you might even hear what DVD player they prefer, what they are having for supper...... or better yet hear some evil plot they have to take over your local Kroger or Walmart so you could notify your local police.

No, maybe we should make ENGLISH our national language, and require folks doing business to DO IT in our national language.

I like that idea much better.

Later,

Geo

[pontooner]

No, maybe we should make ENGLISH our national language, and require folks doing business to DO IT in our national language.

I like that idea much better.

Later,

Geo

Do we know that they couldn't speak English? Which leads to why would anyone care if someone was talking to their family, friends....... in Walmart or Kroger in what ever language they wanted to?


And what do you do if we make english our national language and you hear someone speaking something else?

[RoadToad]

Do we know that they couldn't speak English? Which leads to why would anyone care if someone was talking to their family, friends....... in Walmart or Kroger in what ever language they wanted to?

Exactly! Now, if you go to the checkout, and cashier doesn't speak English, then you have something to complain about.

[GeoFisher]

Do we know that they couldn't speak English? Which leads to why would anyone care if someone was talking to their family, friends....... in Walmart or Kroger in what ever language they wanted to?


And what do you do if we make english our national language and you hear someone speaking something else?

I don't know.....don't CARE.

My response was specifically targeted at folks trying to converse WHILE doing business. Just this weekend, I ran into a Mexican woman at McDonalds. She worked there......could NOT speak a lick of English and was getting pissed at me because I could not understand her jibberish or her hand gestures. She was doing something with the ice machine and made it clear with her raised voice that I was doing "something" she didn't approve of.

BOTTOM LINE........If you're going to do business you should KNOW the LANGUAGE. While this is a reverse instance of what we're talking about it pretty much is the same thing.

I will probably NOT be doing business there again, even though it is less than 1 mile from my house and the easiest fast food located in my area.

Later,,

Geo

[RoadToad]

See now THERE you have a good point! Anyone who is going to interact with the public on their job needs to be able to speak English. That's just good business sense, isn't it? You're probably not the only customer she's run off. I'd do the same thing. If they're going to have someone like that working for them, they're going to lose business. It's already perfectly legal for them to make it a job requirement that you be able to speak English, so why the "national language" nonsense?

It's interesting is how those on the right rail about how liberals want "a law for every problem," until they find a good rallying cry, then it's time for a law! Or better yet, a Constitutional Amendment!! Just think, Geo, how much bureaucracy and red tape this "national language" law would create. Not to mention the fact that what you're suggesting is one more REGULATION that businesses have to follow! That hardly sounds like conservative thinking to me!

[Chubminnow]

Regardless of which side of McDonalds cash register you're on....you better know how to speak plain, clear, simple english...that could have been a junior in high school working the cash register while the towel head was trying to explain that he or she didn't want pickles on their hamburger. Oh wait a minute...on second thought, just about every fast food joint around now has numbers to pick from...if the towel head knows how to count AND read I guess they could always hold up a certain number of fingers to get what they want. But if they know how to count and read then surely they know how to speak english.

Same things goes for just about anything else in this country...if you're living here then you're going to be doing business here...if you're not doing any business then how the heck are you living here? If you're not doing business then that right there in itself raises a LOT of questions doesn't it?

This has nothing to do with church and state...but as with most subject matter, one thing leads to another.

[HURRICANEBOB]

I'm confused.

If they can't speak any English:
- How can they read it?
- How did they fill out the employment app.
- How did they get a driver's license if they couldn't read the questions on the written test.

Maybe McDonalds hired them to serve their fellow non-native American citizens.

I bet the English don't think we speak English either.

[RoadToad]

That's right, we don't speak English, we speak American. That's a subject for a whole 'nother thread.

[Chubminnow]

I'm confused.

If they can't speak any English:
- How can they read it?
- How did they fill out the employment app.
- How did they get a driver's license if they couldn't read the questions on the written test.

Maybe McDonalds hired them to serve their fellow non-native American citizens.

I bet the English don't think we speak English either.

You're trying to hard Bob, lol...the best english they know is one dolla', two dolla', three dolla', etc...