Alabama Rig And Tournaments

[C-Marshall]

Welcome to come to Green anytime if you think it is that easy.No A-rig in my boat! I think you are a bit out line saying that the tournament directors are making these rules for there personal gain.The A-rig will have it's place but is not the cure for ever ones livewell to be full.If circuits ban it or modify the set up it is what it is,there circuit there rules.Oh if you do come to green to fish you may want a boat load of a-rigs for them toothy critters that swim there they are going to love them.

[roughscott]

[QUOTE=RTF247365;476717]I have noticed that the people "crying" the most for the banning of this lure are guys that run these weekend "open" tournaments. Maybe you guys have some underlying motive, like somebody coming down to your lake and taking you and your "buddies" money? If you don't want to put the time in to learn a new technique, just ban it, that makes sense. Let's ban the "Donkey" rig too (the one with multiple soft jerkbaits joined by swivels). I have seen guys hurling those things out there with three or four jerkbaits on one rod...ca
ve that. Unfair advantage.

I RUN TOURNAMENTS AND YOUR COMMENT MAKES ME MAD AS HELL . I WORK MY ASS OFF FOR NO GAIN . LOOK AT MY NEW YEARS TOURNAMENT , NO LOCAL WINNERS HERE . YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR SAYING . IF YOU THINK US WEEKEND OPEN GUYS ARE OUT FOR OURSELFS , STAY YOUR BUTT HOME BECAUSE I DONT NEED YOU . SCOTT

[RTF247365]

I think you missed the point...and proved my point all in one post, Clark.

Didn't say it was a cure for everyone's livewell to be full. Since you haven't used it (No A-rig in my boat), I can only assume you are hypothesizing about its effectiveness on Green. I have used it on Green, caught some very nice smallmouth, and some very hefty spots. Have caught multiple fish on one cast. No muskie yet, although I am sure if you throw one long enough, it is bound to happen. Hey, muskie are called the fish of a thousand casts...maybe the A-rig can help the muskie fishermen.

Its effectiveness for catching suspended bass in the fall is well documented (see flwoutdoors.com, or many of the posts concerning ky lake in the last three months). Will it outfish other lures in the spring?? Who knows. Will it be the best lure for bedding fish?? Highly doubt it. What about post-spawn, or deep summer ledges?? Who knows. My point is, why even open a thread calling for a "ban" in tournament fishing. To ban it after being available only a few months seems a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to a new method that has yet to be fully appreciated or understood.

As for tournament directors banning use, or allowing use, or restricting use, or modifying rules, you are correct. That is the way is has always been, their circuit, their rules. Rules, as history will prove, are typically created due to the voices of a "select" few, one could agree or disagree. My comment was just a simple observation about who is saying what is all.

Welcome to come to Green anytime if you think it is that easy.No A-rig in my boat! I think you are a bit out line saying that the tournament directors are making these rules for there personal gain.The A-rig will have it's place but is not the cure for ever ones livewell to be full.If circuits ban it or modify the set up it is what it is,there circuit there rules.Oh if you do come to green to fish you may want a boat load of a-rigs for them toothy critters that swim there they are going to love them.

[dt16]

[QUOTE=roughscott;476723]

I have noticed that the people "crying" the most for the banning of this lure are guys that run these weekend "open" tournaments. Maybe you guys have some underlying motive, like somebody coming down to your lake and taking you and your "buddies" money? If you don't want to put the time in to learn a new technique, just ban it, that makes sense. Let's ban the "Donkey" rig too (the one with multiple soft jerkbaits joined by swivels). I have seen guys hurling those things out there with three or four jerkbaits on one rod...ca
ve that. Unfair advantage.

I RUN TOURNAMENTS AND YOUR COMMENT MAKES ME MAD AS HELL . I WORK MY ASS OFF FOR NO GAIN . LOOK AT MY NEW YEARS TOURNAMENT , NO LOCAL WINNERS HERE . YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR SAYING . IF YOU THINK US WEEKEND OPEN GUYS ARE OUT FOR OURSELFS , STAY YOUR BUTT HOME BECAUSE I DONT NEED YOU . SCOTT

you tell em roughscott! i say bring the alabama rig to rough river and throw it, troll it, or even snag with it. i'll still beat em. it don't matter.

[bassmaster]

Bottom line is...the A-rig is legal to throw in Kentucky...Whether Open tourney on Rough or Green River Bass Club tourneys, USA Bassin, Renegade tourneys, or any other circuit that has tourney on lakes which always have "locals" fishing them actually ban this thing there will be an appearance of the "locals" tourney rules being set to help prevent the "non-locals" from winning any money. I can honestly say that I know lots of "nonlocals" that have won WITHOUT the A-rig so maybe it's not the bait that day!! On the legality I think it's the tourney club members call (not the director) in CLUB situations. However, if somebody has an open(such as Roughscott) he can have any rule he wants to have as long as it's within the state rules and regulations.

With that being said, the A-rig is here for a fishing tool, like it or not. I really think that there is alot more to fishing it than folks think. Just throw it and you will catch 'em every cast even 5 at a time!! Location.Location. Location. Presentation. Presentation. Presentation.....just like any other lure. I really don't think the bait works that well....so maybe everyone but me should quit throwing it especially in tourneys that I'm fishing in..LOL. So, IF I take you guys money any next year, just think...he might have caught them on a A-rig....or he might not have...
(Oh by the way, the BIG bass like it at Green too!)

[lilmule]

Regardless of the fact that kentucky permits 5 bait rigs any T org has the right to change their regs if you dont like dont fish.
I dont think its because of an outsider coming in and winning with a 5 versus a 3,dont think theres that much difference in catch ratio myself,still immitates multiple targets for schoolers.
Possibly because trail also is on shared waters like with Tn which is a 3 rig,Dale Hollow,Barkley,kentucky lake,try crossing the line on barkley with a short 18 in smallie.
Both states tend to get along with reciprocal areas where both lic are valid and regs to match,but at times not Barkley an example,other lakes the line not so clearly defined.
Due to its heavy usage many laws or regs will be examined and reexamined just up to the angler to adhere where applicable and be willing to pay the hefty fines if they dont,along with a dq if in any T.Possibly why they themselves are limiting its use,their trail their rules,if you dont like find another trail.

[C-Marshall]

I have noticed that the people "crying" the most for the banning of this lure are guys that run these weekend "open" tournaments. Maybe you guys have some underlying motive, like somebody coming down to your lake and taking you and your "buddies" money? If you don't want to put the time in to learn a new technique, just ban it, that makes sense. Let's ban the "Donkey" rig too (the one with multiple soft jerkbaits joined by swivels). I have seen guys hurling those things out there with three or four jerkbaits on one rod...can't have that. Unfair advantage.

Come on guys. As has already been said, it is just another tool. Just like the swimbait explosion, the drop-shot rig, and all other "revolutions" in the fishing industry, the alabama rig has its place. It has solved one of life's great mysteries, how to catch suspended fish in the fall. Why ban it?

Didnt miss the point at all.Just calling you out on the tournament directors crying and having some kind of motive.I welcome you to come and fish the renegade with us or anything else on green.Just referring to your post above about coming to your lake and taking some money.LOL!Now that's funny don't care Who you are.I will agree with you that it is a new tool that has it's place and time and will catch fish.Just don't agree with first part of your post.Hope to see you on the water!

[RTF247365]

Thank you...my point was understood by at least one. If "local" tournament directors decide to "ban" a lure, a presentation, a location on a lake that is not regulated by law, it seems a bit questionable, and not based on anything other than ones opinion or personal preference. But it is their right as tournament director, as they put in the time to run the tournament, so they can make whatever rule they wish. The thread had nothing to do with the work ethics or the time put in by tournament directors. Again, just making a general observation about threads that are thrown out there, and who makes what comments on those threads.

As for roughscotts tournaments, I believe we all know to leave the A-rig at the house.

Bottom line is...the A-rig is legal to throw in Kentucky...Whether Open tourney on Rough or Green River Bass Club tourneys, USA Bassin, Renegade tourneys, or any other circuit that has tourney on lakes which always have "locals" fishing them actually ban this thing there will be an appearance of the "locals" tourney rules being set to help prevent the "non-locals" from winning any money. I can honestly say that I know lots of "nonlocals" that have won WITHOUT the A-rig so maybe it's not the bait that day!! On the legality I think it's the tourney club members call (not the director) in CLUB situations. However, if somebody has an open(such as Roughscott) he can have any rule he wants to have as long as it's within the state rules and regulations.

With that being said, the A-rig is here for a fishing tool, like it or not. I really think that there is alot more to fishing it than folks think. Just throw it and you will catch 'em every cast even 5 at a time!! Location.Location. Location. Presentation. Presentation. Presentation.....just like any other lure. I really don't think the bait works that well....so maybe everyone but me should quit throwing it especially in tourneys that I'm fishing in..LOL. So, IF I take you guys money any next year, just think...he might have caught them on a A-rig....or he might not have...
(Oh by the way, the BIG bass like it at Green too!)

[lilmule]

Tend to agree even if legal to use or not many people have an opinion about the lure and its usage and may also be a T director their T,their rules even if we you or I dont like it.
I dont agree with Tn saying a teaser is a lure and spinnerbait blade is a teaser,just have to obey.

[crappiepappy]

Better start getting used to seeing the ALA Rig :

http://www.southfloridabassguides.co...statement.html

jus' sayin'

... pappy

[RTF247365]

Okay...let me try to this a different way.
First, I am a big fan of the A-rig, if that wasn't already obvious. I mean, fish smash this thing with a ferocious strike, and using it makes me almost giddy. My motive...simple. I like to catch fish when I go fishing, and this thing catching fish. PERIOD.

The point of my original post is this. When you read most comments about the A-rig, it is questions about how to rig it, what rod to use, what jigheads work best...questions about how to effectively use it. Then you have tournament directors making posts, rallying support to "ban" it in tournaments. Why? What is the motivation?

My "out-of-line" comments that have some fired up? Riddle me this?
Scenario 1: You have a tournament series that has been taking place for some time. Now this tournament series is a "Night" tournament, and has been going on without any restrictions on where one can fish, except those areas prohibited by federal law. The tournament has its fair share of "home" lake fisherman, and each week, the same group of locals bring in 3, 4 and 5 fish in their livewell. One of the "locals" invites a couple of buddies that do not fish that often. The two guys decide to participate one evening. When the tournament blasts off, everyone runs to their "honey-holes" to fill their livewells. These two guys, unfamiliar with the lake, decide to stay close and fish inside the buoys of the launch site...perfectly legal and within the rules. When the tournament is over, true to form, the locals bring in their 3, 4, 5 fish bags. As chance would have it, these two guys who don't know the lake win the tournament. Naturally, questions about what was used, where did you catch 'em...it comes to light that they never left the ramp. While everyone is running all over the lake, they stayed right there. This makes some of the guys visibly upset, and they pull the tournament director to the side. Next tournament, there's a new rule. "No fishing allowed inside the buoys". Unfair? Fair? Doesn't matter. Tournament directors perogative to set the rules. Either play by them, or don't fish.

Scenario 2: Some local home lake anglers have figured out a way to catch fish in the fall, a seemingly difficult thing to do consistently, by using a common lure, lets say, a crankbait. Now these guys have spent countless hours and days on the water to hone their technique, to perfect their skill, and it shows in weigh-ins, as they consistently fair well while others struggle. Then a couple of guys who never cash a check show up at weigh-in with a big sack of fish, and they share that they caught them on a multi-lure rig that just come out. This infuriates the locals, who have spent all this time and energy to take a common lure and develop a technique to coax finicky suspended fish into biting. All of that time seems wasted. Next tournament, new rule. "Any rig that uses more than one lure in the water is prohibited".

Now, to say that scenarios like this don't happen, well, that is like putting your head in the sand. One can become angry, but if one is truly observant, and takes the time to listen and analyze a given situation...

So, what is the motive? When other posts are questions to learn more about the lure, why are tournament director's posts a rally cry to get the lure banned altogether?? What is the true motivation?

Is is the costs??

Is it because a couple of guys who "can't catch a cold", and never cash a check, now show up at the weigh-in with a sack full of fish?

Just making a general observation.

With all that being said, if the shoe doesn't fit, why put it on??
I RUN TOURNAMENTS AND YOUR COMMENT MAKES ME MAD AS HELL . I WORK MY ASS OFF FOR NO GAIN . LOOK AT MY NEW YEARS TOURNAMENT , NO LOCAL WINNERS HERE . YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR SAYING . IF YOU THINK US WEEKEND OPEN GUYS ARE OUT FOR OURSELFS , STAY YOUR BUTT HOME BECAUSE I DONT NEED YOU . SCOTT[/QUOTE]

[rustedhook]

Okay...let me try to this a different way.
First, I am a big fan of the A-rig, if that wasn't already obvious. I mean, fish smash this thing with a ferocious strike, and using it makes me almost giddy. My motive...simple. I like to catch fish when I go fishing, and this thing catching fish. PERIOD.

The point of my original post is this. When you read most comments about the A-rig, it is questions about how to rig it, what rod to use, what jigheads work best...questions about how to effectively use it. Then you have tournament directors making posts, rallying support to "ban" it in tournaments. Why? What is the motivation?

My "out-of-line" comments that have some fired up? Riddle me this?
Scenario 1: You have a tournament series that has been taking place for some time. Now this tournament series is a "Night" tournament, and has been going on without any restrictions on where one can fish, except those areas prohibited by federal law. The tournament has its fair share of "home" lake fisherman, and each week, the same group of locals bring in 3, 4 and 5 fish in their livewell. One of the "locals" invites a couple of buddies that do not fish that often. The two guys decide to participate one evening. When the tournament blasts off, everyone runs to their "honey-holes" to fill their livewells. These two guys, unfamiliar with the lake, decide to stay close and fish inside the buoys of the launch site...perfectly legal and within the rules. When the tournament is over, true to form, the locals bring in their 3, 4, 5 fish bags. As chance would have it, these two guys who don't know the lake win the tournament. Naturally, questions about what was used, where did you catch 'em...it comes to light that they never left the ramp. While everyone is running all over the lake, they stayed right there. This makes some of the guys visibly upset, and they pull the tournament director to the side. Next tournament, there's a new rule. "No fishing allowed inside the buoys". Unfair? Fair? Doesn't matter. Tournament directors perogative to set the rules. Either play by them, or don't fish.

Scenario 2: Some local home lake anglers have figured out a way to catch fish in the fall, a seemingly difficult thing to do consistently, by using a common lure, lets say, a crankbait. Now these guys have spent countless hours and days on the water to hone their technique, to perfect their skill, and it shows in weigh-ins, as they consistently fair well while others struggle. Then a couple of guys who never cash a check show up at weigh-in with a big sack of fish, and they share that they caught them on a multi-lure rig that just come out. This infuriates the locals, who have spent all this time and energy to take a common lure and develop a technique to coax finicky suspended fish into biting. All of that time seems wasted. Next tournament, new rule. "Any rig that uses more than one lure in the water is prohibited".

Now, to say that scenarios like this don't happen, well, that is like putting your head in the sand. One can become angry, but if one is truly observant, and takes the time to listen and analyze a given situation...

So, what is the motive? When other posts are questions to learn more about the lure, why are tournament director's posts a rally cry to get the lure banned altogether?? What is the true motivation?

Is is the costs??

Is it because a couple of guys who "can't catch a cold", and never cash a check, now show up at the weigh-in with a sack full of fish?

Just making a general observation.

With all that being said, if the shoe doesn't fit, why put it on??
I RUN TOURNAMENTS AND YOUR COMMENT MAKES ME MAD AS HELL . I WORK MY ASS OFF FOR NO GAIN . LOOK AT MY NEW YEARS TOURNAMENT , NO LOCAL WINNERS HERE . YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR SAYING . IF YOU THINK US WEEKEND OPEN GUYS ARE OUT FOR OURSELFS , STAY YOUR BUTT HOME BECAUSE I DONT NEED YOU . SCOTT

[/QUOTE]

Not trying to ruffle any feathers, I only ask this because you run tournaments.
What is the difference between a guy in the back of the boat throwing a multi bait rig and the guy in the front of the boat fishing a drop-shot in one hand a jigging spoon in the other? Most tournaments don't allow you to fish with more than one rod at a time.