Why?! This doesnt make sense??

[burt.fishin]

Why is it such a big no-no to use a slip bobber when float and fly fishing?? There are so many pros to it! Can someone enlighten me on why?

[waterdog101]

Why is it such a big no-no to use a slip bobber when float and fly fishing?? There are so many pros to it! Can someone enlighten me on why?

one would think the slip float, would work just as good. all the float does is place the jig at a precise dept.

[Carter1]

The way I see it, the only no-no's in fishing are the illegal and unethical ones. So outside of that I say do what you want.

[rickhise]

because a slip float cost .39 cents and fnf bobber cost $3.99.

the reasons are clearly posted as to what makes the fnf bobber superior, so for the the fnf enthusiast, I can appreciate your dedication.

I think the dedicated fnf people pride themselves in skill and technique it takes.
The entire combination builds itself on the difficulty of landing the monsters that winter fishing can produce.


now this comes from a guy who chokes his fish to death with a minnow so not sure how creditable my logic comes across....

[peter]

I'll take a stab at it. The fly is so light and the float is so small the weight of the fly would not be heavy enough to pull the bait down through the bobber?
Might also have to do with the action of the bait which is created by "wiggling" the rod.

Seems like you could just put a slip shot a foot or so above the fly.

In any event I am displaying my ignorance here.

Sure would make things simpler gear wise.

[Hlleonard]

I'll take a stab at it. The fly is so light and the float is so small the weight of the fly would not be heavy enough to pull the bait down through the bobber?
Might also have to do with the action of the bait which is created by "wiggling" the rod.

Seems like you could just put a slip shot a foot or so above the fly.

In any event I am displaying my ignorance here.

Sure would make things simpler gear wise.

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I am out of my element here also but I did try the technique a couple years ago and had the problem peter described with the slip float... The major peoblem I had was landing the fish with the fixed bobber and it just wasn't worth the frustration to me... I never tried the split shot above the jig... The slip float would seem much better to me if you could just get the jig to sink... You might lose the ghost hit with the additional weight on the line.

[know1]

Plus, some of the best bites happen when the float just tips over due to the weight being taken off the fly from a fish moving up and just holding it. I don't think you get that with a bobber stop, but maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think it wouldn't work at all, but I do think the Bob's bobber works BETTER than a slip float.

[strat5150]

The wait moved to the center of the bobber was a well thought out idea and IMO is the best.You have to really use the rig a lot to get used to casting & landing fish,once you've gained enough time in it really is second nature. As far as the slip bobber, one you have the wait of the jig (1/32-1/16) and then you have freezing temps. That line will not move through that bobber fast enough "IF AT ALL"for success.Most of my bites occur when the fly first settles under the bobber.

[peter]

Plus, some of the best bites happen when the float just tips over due to the weight being taken off the fly from a fish moving up and just holding it. I don't think you get that with a bobber stop, but maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think it wouldn't work at all, but I do think the Bob's bobber works BETTER than a slip float.

The strikes with fnf can be very light and fast (at least the time I went) Maybe the bobber goes down quick once and if you blink you missed. I blinked a lot. Don't know if you could get the jigling action on the bobber/fly with a fixed to the line with only a stop at the top. How would a hook set work on a bobber with a only a bobber stop on the top?

Bob Coan at Dale developed that specific bobber (Bob's Bobber) for the very light fly. Could he have used an off the shelf slip bobber I am sure he would have. He took me out once and it all made sense. The technique is simple to learn if you watch somebody do it and have the right rod, float, fly and you can pay attention to your line for hours in end.

You could try this:

http://www.fishin.com/forums2/showthread.php?t=91120

[RoadToad]

You can use a slip float if you want, in fact people were doing that long before the float and fly was invented. You just can't really call it float and fly if you're doing that, that's all. Float and fly is a specialized technique that relies on the special bobber and the 3-way swivel. That bobber will lay over on its side if there's no weight underneath it. You get a fair number of bites from fish that are coming up under the bait, so they're not going to make a float go under the water. A float and fly bobber will lay over when you get those bites, whereas a slip float is just going to sit there. So go ahead and use your slip float, it's a lot easier and cheaper, but it's not accurate to call that float and fly fishing.

[Embrey]

you always KNOW your fly is where its supposed to be. with the slip, you dont.

[burt.fishin]

THILL makes a slip float specially designed to turn on its side when those "ghost bites" occur
Also you will KNOW your fly is where it should be when the bobber stand up
thanks guys, D.