Maybe their heads were on fire?

[GeoFisher]

I agree with you, I don't want to see anything made of it either, it's war, bad things happen,...unfortunately there probably will be something made out of it since ALL the world knows about it.

(This ain't geared towards you Don)...but as for McCain...who can say anything bad about McCain? I'll tell you what's sad...what's sad is the man lives, eats, breathes, prays and sleeps anything and everything about America. How the citizens of this country could vote for that bozo we have in office NOW tells me EXACTLY how bad of a shape this country is in! If we have a voting public that would turn down McCain and vote for Bozo instead...what we have in my opinion is a majority of voters in this country who are disrespectful idiots.

.02 (I feel better now, lol)

AMEN..........

[Dave Stewart]

If you have never walked in those Marine grunts boots....you really will never understand this incident. Certainly John McCain and any of the other POW's that went thru the hell of the Hanoi Hilton deserve our respect...but if you don't think the he or any of the other POW's there at that time would have done this and more to their captors that were torturing them, killing them etc if they had a chance at the time then you are kidding yourself. It is easier to be self rightous after you have been back in the good life for 40 years and especially when you are in the limelight of the media.

Semper Fi

[bassin_bug]

Amen, Dave. Just want to mention that, last night, I heard a news commentator say that he suspects the picture had been worked on and certain things were superimposed to make our troops look bad.

As to John McCain, IMO if he was all that wonderful because he was once a POW, and people are still worshiping him, why didn't he become president? I have a problem with him getting so much attention because of his war injuries while thousands of other POWs are completely forgotten. McCain went to war, did his job, was captured and imprisoned and later set free. I respect all the POWs and everyone who went to war, but enough of John McCain is enough unless he is willing to step aside and make room for all the other POWs. jmo

[GeoFisher]

Amen, Dave. Just want to mention that, last night, I heard a news commentator say that he suspects the picture had been worked on and certain things were superimposed to make our troops look bad.

As to John McCain, IMO if he was all that wonderful because he was once a POW, and people are still worshiping him, why didn't he become president? I have a problem with him getting so much attention because of his war injuries while thousands of other POWs are completely forgotten. McCain went to war, did his job, was captured and imprisoned and later set free. I respect all the POWs and everyone who went to war, but enough of John McCain is enough unless he is willing to step aside and make room for all the other POWs. jmo

WOW........you're kidding right?

Reagan himself would have LOST against Obama. It was a perfect storm for a charismatic black man from the DEMOCRAT party.

People were FED up, and they were FED up with what Republicans had done when they had control. I wish BUSH could have controlled the special interests a little more. Not that I didn't agree with 90% of what he did. But the 10% really jacked up any opportunities for the pubs in 2008. The referendums in 2006 were enough writing on the walls to send a message. Unfortunately Bush didn't READ that writing.

JUST like what the DEMS did when they won in 2008 WITH Obama. They got power drunk, and passed crazy LEFTIST bills. And in 2010 another referendum occurred. AND in 2012, YET another one will happen.

I hate to say it, but a complete FISCAL Conservative and a complete SOCIAL Conservative.......if that even exists any longer, will get BEAT.

As pubs, we better figure out just WHO can win......elect them and THEN worry about the complete social and complete fiscal issues.....

Later,

Geo

[bassin_bug]

No, I'm not kidding; I'm as serious as a heart attack. You are entitled to your opinions and I am entitled to mine.

[MrSplitshot]

Dave, I definitely respect your opinion on the deal and was kinda hoping you would ring in on it. You're right - Any of the POWs in Vietnam, given the chance, would have whizzed on the dead bodies of their captors and been happy to do it given the circumstances that they had endured. I also agree that stuff like this happens in war a lot more than the general public ever sees. There were horrendous things going on in Vietnam alone...but that doesn't make them okay. It just so happens that these guys filmed it and shared it with the world. It's a lot easier in today's world to turn an incident behind a sand dune 5000 miles away into world news headlines 5 minutes later. A lot is being made of it, because they made it easy.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and that's cool. We can disagree and still share a beer at the end of the day. All of that said...I still don't think it's right to desecrate dead bodies like that, even if they are the corpses of the enemy.

"Look, marines kill to win, and sometimes they kill a lot and that's good, that's fine, that's war. But in victory we are trained to be compassionate, we are trained to be respectful and this incident was neither of those." -Lieutenant Colonel Jay Stout, a former U.S. Marine Corps pilot

[Chubminnow]

As to John McCain, IMO if he was all that wonderful because he was once a POW, and people are still worshiping him, why didn't he become president? I have a problem with him getting so much attention because of his war injuries while thousands of other POWs are completely forgotten. McCain went to war, did his job, was captured and imprisoned and later set free. I respect all the POWs and everyone who went to war, but enough of John McCain is enough unless he is willing to step aside and make room for all the other POWs.

I know you don't like Nobama, and niether do I. And for me...I don't "worship" anyone. The reason he didn't become president is because of some of the reasons Geo wrote, the majority of the voters in america were fed up with Bush, thought Bush was supporting his oil buddies, etc...which NOW we ALL know wasn't true.

I don't give McCain all that much attention either...not even sure he would have pulled us out of the fire...but what really burns my britches is the fact that the american people voted for a politician with little to NO experience over McCain...Ok, maybe McCain wasn't the guy we needed, but I GAURANTEE you NObama should have NEVER been elected! And right now I hope old Newt ain't doing more harm for the republican party than good, which could very well mean four more years of Bozo for president.

I also agree with Splitshot...bad things happen in war and just because they do (Marine or not) it doesn't make them right. I'm under the opinion of what happens at war should stay at war...no filming, photographing and distributing such pictures of video's on the internet. I'm not judging the guys who urinated on the corpses...not even sure what I would do if I was in their shoes, maybe I would have done the same thing as them, who knows, I hope I wouldn't have but who knows. Kind of seems to me they won that fight, killed the opponent, took their lives, etc...leave the rest up to God.

[Dave Stewart]

"Look, marines kill to win, and sometimes they kill a lot and that's good, that's fine, that's war. But in victory we are trained to be compassionate, we are trained to be respectful and this incident was neither of those." -Lieutenant Colonel Jay Stout, a former U.S. Marine Corps pilot

Served in the grunts and also in the air wing of the Corps (Infantry and Aviation branches for those of you that may not know military lingo) and I never did see a pilot spend a tour with a 40lb pack on his back crawling thru the jungles with an M16....or as it would be now days...the sand....so like I said before....he has not walked in their boots...he would not understand either.

The problem here is obvious.....folks around the world actually got to see something about war that they would rather not see...it is so much easier to just put your head in the sand and wave a flag than to face reality. There is a reason that the suicide rate among our ground troops in the past 10 years had sky rocketed to record levels...there is a reason that PTSD is now a very common by-product of our ground troops that have served in the past 10 years. Fighting wars with no clear objectives for winning (political wars) and serving tour after tour after tour by these troops has its toll....I have never said I condone what happened on this tape....but one thing is for sure...I will **** sure try to understand how some kids that were in high school just a year or two ago, maybe living next door....have now lived through enough hell to cause them to do something like this...and I will **** sure support them too....and I don't care who's feelings they hurt.

Semper Fi

[redneckshadrap]

Rep. Allen West, a former Army LT. Col, on the recent video showing Marines urinating on the dead bodies of Taliban soldiers:

“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage a...nd condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.

“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?

“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”

Precisely...

[MrSplitshot]

Rep. Allen West, a former Army LT. Col, on the recent video showing Marines urinating on the dead bodies of Taliban soldiers:

“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage a...nd condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.

“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?

“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”

Precisely...

I don't think there was as much shock over the bodies of American soldiers being desecrated because we expect it from the Taliban...that's why they are the bad guys, the enemy, the evil in the equation. They have shown over and over what kind of people they are. We're the good guys because we hold more regard for human life than those ******** do. That's one of the main reasons we're there trying to kill them off ain't it? If we didn't hold more regard for human life, we'd just nuke the whole **** country and be done with it. It would be much easier. Lord knows the Taliban would do it to our country if they had half the chance.


I agree with his reprimand for the Marines...shouldn't be anything heavier than that.

[Dave Stewart]

An Article 15 is definitely in order here...you get caught you pay the price...but the price for this should not be a Court Marshal with prison, reduction to lowest rank and loss of all pay and benefits and a dishonorable discharge....but you can bet your butt that there will be a lot of folks both civilian and military that will be calling for it....because of all the press and the politically correct environment these troops have to live in now....let's hope it does not come to pass.

[DJD]

So true, punishment is coming and IMO the punishment won't fit the so called crime. Maybe something else will happen and the hoards of news hounds will focus their efforts elsewhere. Out of sight and media......out of mind.
God bless our troops!