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[bullit]

Thanks,been reading the threads a long time.I was just trying to figure out a way to get the fishing back to what it was in the 70`s and 80`s.been bass fishing since 1965.Lot`s of tournments and lot`s of fun fishing.Always been catch and release.Thanks,bullit

[sweetwater]

The fee/tax that bugs me the most is the day use fee at Corp operated boat ramps. Does anyone know if they will really write a citation for not paying? I have never heard of it happening myself.

[Brandon__]

we already DID pay for the fish we keep to eat....the day we purchased our fishing license. as magiksmallie said, creel limits are calculated to take in to account the fisheaters, the tournaments, natural mortality etc etc.
i see the essence of the idea...but it would be difficult to incorporate.
if im going to pay for fish i keep i will target walleye....whats next? a premium for certain species?

Seems that it would be the exact opposite. I am not advocating any new "tax" but my self being someone whom fishes tournaments i saw maybe 5 fish die last year total, why wouldn't there be a tax on people that eat the fish they take from a water way?(again not saying this should happen just proving a point)

[bankbuster]

Thanks,been reading the threads a long time.I was just trying to figure out a way to get the fishing back to what it was in the 70`s and 80`s.been bass fishing since 1965.Lot`s of tournments and lot`s of fun fishing.Always been catch and release.Thanks,bullit

I think that if the KDFW would impose a 14 to 18 in slot, similar to Dale Hollow rules and regs on SM, that in a few years fish quality would rise to 70's and 80's fish. Impose the slot on Rough, Nolin, Barren and Taylorsville to start for a few years and study the results. I know this would kill Tournaments so maybe they could do one lake for 2-3 yrs, then another for 2-3 yrs. Or maybe have official monitors to check that tournament fish are released immediately upon weigh in. Just a few thoughts.

[stripernut]

The fee/tax that bugs me the most is the day use fee at Corp operated boat ramps. Does anyone know if they will really write a citation for not paying? I have never heard of it happening myself.

yep, they will even if theyre out of envelopes when you get there

[Fntsyfbgod]

1. Thats what fishing license are for. It makes no sense to make tournament fisherman pay more just because they are fishing tournaments.

2. Stocking is overatted, studies have shown it isnt really a great fix for bass anyway so you would be making bass fisherman pay for trout and catfish.

3. F&W is not hurting for money anyway.

4. It would make the really large tournaments you mentioned just go to other states. Some states with regulations that are not tournament friendly have seen this happen. Big tournaments bring in out of state money which helps local businesses around the lakes.

5. Whos going to inforce it?? wont that be fun making F&W employees go to tournaments and count the boats and make sure they get their 10%.

Now all that being said I would be in favor for something that helped out tournaments. Like a tournament size limit exception where boats in a tournament could use the statewide 12in size limit if they paid some sort of fee. This would help put some big tournaments on places like Dale Hollow.

[roughscott]

the fee/tax that bugs me the most is the day use fee at corp operated boat ramps. Does anyone know if they will really write a citation for not paying? I have never heard of it happening myself.

oh yes , but the the pay back was better !!! :d

[roughscott]

i think that if the kdfw would impose a 14 to 18 in slot, similar to dale hollow rules and regs on sm, that in a few years fish quality would rise to 70's and 80's fish. Impose the slot on rough, nolin, barren and taylorsville to start for a few years and study the results. I know this would kill tournaments so maybe they could do one lake for 2-3 yrs, then another for 2-3 yrs. Or maybe have official monitors to check that tournament fish are released immediately upon weigh in. Just a few thoughts.

it would kill us putting on weekly tourney with 100% pay out .

[bankbuster]

Yeah it might, I am just throwing ideas out that may relieve some of the pressure on our reservoirs. I might be wrong but IMO, pressure is what is causing fish quality to decline. I'd say that most of the fish have seen everything there is thrown at them, that is why the new A-rig is so hot right now. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers as I too sometimes will fish an open tourney although my lack of skills rarely puts that much pressure on the bass.LOL

[Tim_T]

1. Thats what fishing license are for. It makes no sense to make tournament fisherman pay more just because they are fishing tournaments.

2. Stocking is overatted, studies have shown it isnt really a great fix for bass anyway so you would be making bass fisherman pay for trout and catfish.

3. F&W is not hurting for money anyway.

4. It would make the really large tournaments you mentioned just go to other states. Some states with regulations that are not tournament friendly have seen this happen. Big tournaments bring in out of state money which helps local businesses around the lakes.

5. Whos going to inforce it?? wont that be fun making F&W employees go to tournaments and count the boats and make sure they get their 10%.

Now all that being said I would be in favor for something that helped out tournaments. Like a tournament size limit exception where boats in a tournament could use the statewide 12in size limit if they paid some sort of fee. This would help put some big tournaments on places like Dale Hollow.

1. I agree totally.

2. Not sure how stocking bass would be making bass anglers pay for trout and catfish. You lost me there.

3. I don't know KDFWR's total financial picture, but I hardly doubt they are "not hurting for money." License sales are in a continual decline over the last several years and this is where a big chunk of their budget comes from.

4. Agree on this.

5.Agree again.

On your last point I say absolutely not. Tournament anglers need to follow the same laws as everyone else. Who cares if there are no big tournaments on Dale Hollow?

[bullit]

I live close to lake Herrington and i do like a good bass tour. once in a while but every tues.thurs.friday night tour. and a open on sat. night is a little to much don`t you think.I remember when you could pull in on a bank and catch 12 or 14,now your fishing for 2.There needs to be some type of tour. limit put on the lakes.I here Barren and some orther lakes just as bad.

[bassmaster]

I live close to lake Herrington and i do like a good bass tour. once in a while but every tues.thurs.friday night tour. and a open on sat. night is a little to much don`t you think.I remember when you could pull in on a bank and catch 12 or 14,now your fishing for 2.There needs to be some type of tour. limit put on the lakes.I here Barren and some orther lakes just as bad.

hey bullit,
I to fish Herrington and Barren and Green and Cumberland and Cedar. I must say that it is harder to catch them sometimes BUT you still can catch them. Over the 25 years that I have fished these lakes alot has changed even the way you have to fish them to be effective. To me, fishing effectively almost changes yearly and adapting to that is the only way to consistently catch them (I'm still learning and no one but KVD catches them all the time). Green and Barren as good as always as a matter of fact Green has been on fire for a few years now. I truly have caught more and bigger fish on Green than in years past and it's pounded by tourneys. Cedar has had a numbers drop off for me BUT the quality is very good. Herrington has gotten tougher BUT I've personally had to change the way I fish it to be effective. I do wish that some tourneys would lower their limit to 5 instead of 6, I'm sure it sould help some.
Have a good one and see ya on the water,
Tim