Which game to watch tonight?????

[Tim_T]

Come on Tim, you can't tell me the day Pitino came to Louisville however many years ago that you did not EXPECT better results than he has produced. I don't believe Louisville is a clear 2nd in the SEC because Vandy and Florida would have a bit to say about that. Yes Louisville beat Vandy, barely at Home without Vandy's big fella playing.

Be honest, the day Pitino signed with U of L did visions of National Titles dance in your head? Be honest.....

Not national titles, because I have been following college basketball so long that I see how much luck you have to have to win one. The best team imo in the history of Louisville basketball didn't get one (1975) and that happens in a lose and your out deal.

The only two things that bothered me when he first got here was his recruiting philosophy that he brought back didn't work, and I didn't expect to get the second NIT appearance. All I ask is to be consistently in the top 20 each season and be poised to make a run at a title every few years. I think for the most part, he has lived up to it.

Everyone talks about Vandy having their overrated big guy out against Louisville, but nobody wants to mention that Louisville had four players out for that game due to injury. Vandy gets a pass, but not Louisville? Sorry, Vandy is not better than Louisville.

Florida may be the most overrated team in the country. They have home losses to Tennessee and Rutgers....yes Rutgers, one of the dregs of the Big East. You cannot lose to Rutgers and Tennessee at home and be that good.

That is why on this board in December I said UK would go undefeated in the SEC. They are head and shoulders better than anybody in that league.

[Netboy Extraordinaire]

[QUOTE=Tim_T;480671]Not national titles, because I have been following college basketball so long that I see how much luck you have to have to win one. The best team imo in the history of Louisville basketball didn't get one (1975) and that happens in a lose and your out deal.

The only two things that bothered me when he first got here was his recruiting philosophy that he brought back didn't work, and I didn't expect to get the second NIT appearance. All I ask is to be consistently in the top 20 each season and be poised to make a run at a title every few years. I think for the most part, he has lived up to it.


I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder.

To you:

10+ Seasons
1 Regular Season Title
1 Conference Tourney Title
1 Final Four
2 Elite Eights
2 NIT's
3 Out in Round 1
2 Out in Round 2

This is competing for Titles every couple of years and a success. This may be for a mid major coach taking over Louisville 10 years ago after a fluke season. But a coach returning to the state where he was a Nazr Mohammed free throw from winning Back to Back titles and recruited enough talent to just about win 3 in a row, sorry this is a coach that had underachieved royally.

[Tim_T]

[QUOTE=Netboy Extraordinaire;480681]

Not national titles, because I have been following college basketball so long that I see how much luck you have to have to win one. The best team imo in the history of Louisville basketball didn't get one (1975) and that happens in a lose and your out deal.

The only two things that bothered me when he first got here was his recruiting philosophy that he brought back didn't work, and I didn't expect to get the second NIT appearance. All I ask is to be consistently in the top 20 each season and be poised to make a run at a title every few years. I think for the most part, he has lived up to it.


I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder.

To you:

10+ Seasons
1 Regular Season Title
1 Conference Tourney Title
1 Final Four
2 Elite Eights
2 NIT's
3 Out in Round 1
2 Out in Round 2

This is competing for Titles every couple of years and a success. This may be for a mid major coach taking over Louisville 10 years ago after a fluke season. But a coach returning to the state where he was a Nazr Mohammed free throw from winning Back to Back titles and recruited enough talent to just about win 3 in a row, sorry this is a coach that had underachieved royally.

First you have to consider how bad the program was when he took over. Secondly, he did something that to me shows the sign of a good coach, he has had teams overachive. The 2005 Final Four team featured ONE NBA player. Think about that, one. Francisco Garcia. That is it. He took that team to a Final Four.

Also your numbers are wrong, because we haven't been in the Big East the entire time he has been our coach. He also has two Conference USA tourney titles and one regular season title. And that was at a time that C-USA had some very good teams and coaches.

Also consider that two of those out in round 1 were teams that were lower seeds. Last season's lost to Morehead was the only time there was an upset. Beat on a last second shot in the tourney, happens to teams every year. It is the difference in making a deep run or not. Look at your own team last season, a team that made the Final Four and was a threat to win it all, yet needed a last second basket from Brandon Knight to beat Princeton. It happens.

If you took everything in the context that you posted those numbers, Cal would have never gotten the job at UK. He didn't even win C-USA regular season or tourney when he was at Memphis until after Louisville, Cincy and Marquette left. You have to keep things in the proper context.

[Netboy Extraordinaire]

Since you brought up Cal, who took over a program in as bad or worse shape than Pitino took over, Number 1 Recruiting Class - Elite 8, Number 1 Recruiting Class - Final Four, Number 1 Recruiting Class - Number 1 in the Country and Odds on favorite to win the title this year. Either Pitino is not the Recruiter/Coach that Cal is, or Cal is just lucky. Cal's first 2 1/2 years on the job is EXACTLY what Louisville Fans thought they was getting Consistently within 4 years and fans like MHall is right to be dissapointed

[Tim_T]

Since you brought up Cal, who took over a program in as bad or worse shape than Pitino took over, Number 1 Recruiting Class - Elite 8, Number 1 Recruiting Class - Final Four, Number 1 Recruiting Class - Number 1 in the Country and Odds on favorite to win the title this year. Either Pitino is not the Recruiter/Coach that Cal is, or Cal is just lucky. Cal's first 2 1/2 years on the job is EXACTLY what Louisville Fans thought they was getting Consistently within 4 years and fans like MHall is right to be dissapointed

LMAO you must be joking. Cal took over a team that was two years removed from an Elite 8 that also had a second team all-american (who ended up turning pro and not playing for Cal). Pitino took over a team with one Elite 8 in 15 years! Cal is a better recruiter than any coach in the country, but he is mediocre at everything else. When it comes to developing players and taking less talented teams to greater heights, he is the fourth best coach in this area.

[Netboy Extraordinaire]

LMAO you must be joking. Cal took over a team that was two years removed from an Elite 8 that also had a second team all-american (who ended up turning pro and not playing for Cal). Pitino took over a team with one Elite 8 in 15 years! Cal is a better recruiter than any coach in the country, but he is mediocre at everything else. When it comes to developing players and taking less talented teams to greater heights, he is the fourth best coach in this area.

When does Cal have less talented teams? I guess it takes no coaching talent at all to get the caliber player Cal gets to play Defense, spread the shots around and play TEAM ball. Only those Coaches that can only get "less talent" has to try and coach them to greater heights. Cal does not have that problem and won't have that problem as long as he is at Kentucky. 2 year 2 drafts and how many draft picks? Add in the current class of soon to be NBA millionaires and who wouldn't want to play for Cal? Tv every game, UK fan base, guaranteed chance at conference and national titles and lottery draft picks galore.

[bplgocards]

When does Cal have less talented teams? I guess it takes no coaching talent at all to get the caliber player Cal gets to play Defense, spread the shots around and play TEAM ball. Only those Coaches that can only get "less talent" has to try and coach them to greater heights. Cal does not have that problem and won't have that problem as long as he is at Kentucky. 2 year 2 drafts and how many draft picks? Add in the current class of soon to be NBA millionaires and who wouldn't want to play for Cal? Tv every game, UK fan base, guaranteed chance at conference and national titles and lottery draft picks galore.

Still no title though. When will UK fans begin to be disappointed with all this 'talent' and nothing to show for it?

[Netboy Extraordinaire]

Still no title though. When will UK fans begin to be disappointed with all this 'talent' and nothing to show for it?

You have about 6 more weeks before you have to stop the "no title" excuse. By the way, what school did your coach win his only title? Even then it took the 1996 team to win it and my 1 yr old Granddaughter could have coached that team to the title

[redneckshadrap]

This is my opinion....


Who built the fan base at UK? We just got over Eddie Sutton..Here comes Ricky P. Rebuilds and the fan base explodes. Some of us on here are old enough to have lived it and some have just read about it.
Cal was at UMASS....Every one in the world that there for UK hated him. Pitino sent him home to hang a banner.....in Rupp....

Along comes the NBA and off goes Pitino.

Dust settles in Ky and in comes Tubby....Too me the most boring coach I ever watched. Yeah some good runs, but he just wasn't Ricky P.

Denny hangs it up and along Ricky P comes back to Ky. To the ire of some and the desire of others what was once in the hands of the Big Blue was now 70 miles west wearing red.

I, for one, expected a lot more out of Pitino. It doesn't male sense why he can't recruit. I know recruiting classes don't quarantee automatic banners...LOL! But one thing I think he had then that Cal didn't was when he was at UK every high school kid wanted to play for him. Cal was at UMASS. Who was UMASS....Pitino was at KENTUCKY>>>>
But he left. Not only did he crush the UK fan base, but College basketball as a whole. Now he's back. Same thing has happened to another coach named Steve Spurrier...

But guys the season aint over yet. Cards played the #2 team in the country down to the wire. We'll see in March.

[redneckshadrap]

Still no title though. When will UK fans begin to be disappointed with all this 'talent' and nothing to show for it?

After the end of the Tubby era and Drunky Clyde...I'm good for a while...LOL!!!!I think if they start keeping kids in school for 2 yrs some of these bomb recruiting classes will start staggering amongst different schools..

[Chubminnow]

But guys the season aint over yet. Cards played the #2 team in the country down to the wire. We'll see in March.

That's right...I think the same way as you Billy. Granted I don't see U of L advancing to the elite 8 in the tourney, nor do I see them advancing to the sweet 16..."IF" they make the tourney at all, but I'm hoping they do.

Everyone can say "IF" they would have hit the free throw's, "IF" they would have stayed out of foul trouble, "IF" Siva wasn't such a moron, etc...But you know, "IF" my aunt had an apple sack she would have been my uncle. At the end of the day they still gave the #2 ranked team a serious run for their money.

This fair weather fan is proud to be from Louisville, Kentucky...go Cards, go Cats, go Murray State!! It's all good to me, just let me know when the steaks are ready to come off the grill!

[mhall]

I wasn't praising Siva during the 6 game winning streak either. I am always a fan and I never waiver that gives me the right to bitch. I was at the call in show last night at Buckheads, had Paul Rogers read my question on the air to Rick and he danced it...all the way around it.

All I want is Siva to grow a basketball IQ, thats it. I have excepted the fact that I will give birth to a baby Beaver before he finds a jumpshot. I have expected the fact I will love Obama before he could ever hit TWO free throws in a row...

But I WILL NOT except doing the exact same stupid crap 3 to 8 times a game, it's flippin stupid and if it takes making him sit down and take losses to teach him then so BE IT!