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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    Small amounts of salt is also very helpful and like many have said always keep frozen bottles in ur cooler every little bit helps we kept a 7 pounder alive two weeks from 6 a.m. to 2 p.m. it was the first fish we caught and all we did was recirculate the water that was in the livewell and towards the end of the day we placed a bottle of ice in there and when we put the fish back in he was alive and well the outside temperature was 92 with no wind and no clouds so it was definitely hot. None of the little treatment packs were used just treat your fish in a respectful manner and check on em through out the day and do what you think is necessary to catch a fish they will only die if no oxygen is provided!!!!

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    Keeping fish alive has alot to do with your boat. Personally I beleive 15min is too long. When my Triton is set on "Auto" it kicks on every 3 min for a period of 1 min. It pulls lake water in while allowing lake water to run out. I also have a 500gph pump.

    I have never added ice to the livewell. Alot of times it does more harm than good. Escpecially what you dont see after a tournament. If you catch a fish in 90d water temp, then place it in 80d livewell water, yes it does fine. However when you release it back you are throwing it in 90d water and sometimes the fish goes in shock and does not recover.

    In the summer when I catch a fish livewell goes to auto. Anytime the boat is on pad it goes to recirculate. Treatment, "keep alive" is added around every 2 hours. I keep the water a blueish green tent.

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by mkmsports41 View Post
    Keeping fish alive has alot to do with your boat. Personally I beleive 15min is too long. When my Triton is set on "Auto" it kicks on every 3 min for a period of 1 min. It pulls lake water in while allowing lake water to run out. I also have a 500gph pump. ....
    I agree. I had an 18 gallon tank in my center console. Whether it was 90 in KY or 95 in the FL Keys, I set the auto pump on a 3 minute delay, and it would run for 1 minute. With a 500 GPH pump I was constantly turning over the water in the tank, and NEVER had a problem keeping fish or bait. Except for that one time my buddy washed down the boat while we were in the keys. He used my heavy duty nonskid cleaner and it got in the well. After 4 hours of baking in the sun, he opened the well and I thought he was going to hurl. And yes, I made him clean all 30 of those pin fish out. It took a long time to catch those!

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    If you are catching your fish in deep water there may not be much you can do to keep them alive. Fish coming up too quickly form the deep may die unless you get them back down into the deep water quickly. You can't take a fish out of that environment and depressurize it without some adverse effects on the fish.

    If you did the same thing to a scuba diver you would have to decompress him/her or they could die from the Bends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2fish View Post
    This time of yea I seem to be killing fish in my livewell. I keep the auto switch on so that it kicks on like every 15 min or so but still seem to have dead fish. I'm looking for some suggestions on what to do to fix or help this problem. I've been told about livewell treatment but don't know what the best kind to ge is or how much to use. Thanks for all the help.

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post
    If you are catching your fish in deep water there may not be much you can do to keep them alive. Fish coming up too quickly form the deep may die unless you get them back down into the deep water quickly. You can't take a fish out of that environment and depressurize it without some adverse effects on the fish.

    If you did the same thing to a scuba diver you would have to decompress him/her or they could die from the Bends.

    If you don't know how to properly fizz a fish you shouldn't be allowed to fish deep in the summer...Bringing them up from deep causes their swim bladder to overly inflate and they can't keep theirself upright, which will cause them to die...I wasn't a firm believer in fizzing a fish until I saw it actually work on a fish we caught in a tournament....Then a few times during the summer we've came in after a tournament has gone and there will be fish laying on their side on top of the water kicking around unable to go back down....We will ALWAYS take time to stop and fizz these fish and 95% of the time they will go back down....They may not all live but atleast they have a fighting chance...They're guaranteed not to live floating on top of the water

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    my boat dos'nt have an aerator system so i freeze a gallon jug of water,fill up my live well as soon as the tour. starts and put the jug in there and takes about an hour to thaw and bring the temp down to the 60 to 70 degree range.i never pump more hot water in because i cant keep that much ice around but i hook up an aquarium pump to an outlet in my boat and leave it on all the time.i've had good luck with this and dont lose to many fish unless i pull a donkey-boy move and crimp the line!

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    Sorry but your assuming that "Fizzing" a fish save them which I don't think is right. I've had a needle stuck into my back in order to draw out 1.5 liters of bloody fluid from my left lung. The procedure is called a "Thoracentesis".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoracentesis

    But a Thoracentesis is performed by a trained Medical Doctor who knows the human anatomy so well that he can stick a long needle into your back and into your lung and not do any real lasting damage. But the human lung is not a swim bladder. And the needle and other equipment is sterilized before use. And the skin is disinfected of bacteria before they stick the needle though the skin in the back. They take care not to introduce bacteria into the body when they perform this Thoracentesis.

    Let me tell you what it feels like to have a needle stuck into your back from the Patients point of view. It actually doesn't hurt at all until the next day. The pain of the needle going into your back is not that painful. Not what you would think. But the day afterwards you can barely take a breath. It hurts so bad that you need narcotics to ease the pain and they don't really work that good. You still hurt like He)). If I were a fish I would have died for sure.

    The liquid that they remove from your lung is used to lubricate the plural lining that protected the outside of the lung from the inside of the chest cavity. The fluid in the plural space helps the lungs to slide easily inside the chest cavity. Without that fluid there is a lot more friction between the lungs and the chest cavity and it's extremely painful to breath. It takes more than 24 hours before the fluid builds back up in the plural space so that you can breath without pain again. You will hurt for at least a day. And you take in a lot of breaths during that 24 hour period.

    The fish's swim bladder is covered with blood vessels that help to put air into the bladder though osmosis and take air out of the bladder. But that takes time and doesn't' happen very quickly. Damage to the air bladder will prevent it from filling back up. You ever try blowing up a balloon with a hole in it? The balloon fills with air only to leak the air out pretty fast.

    Fish don't live in a sterile environment. There are all kinds of bacteria, virus and fungus living in the water with the fish. If you go poking an dirty needle into the fish's swim bladder you are going to introduce all kinds of disease causing organisms into the fish's body.

    You may think that you are doing the fish a favor but you may just be introducing anthrax or some other bacteria deep into the fish's body. They fish may swim off and you may think you did a good deed by "fizzing" it but a day or two later the fish dies of toxins as the bacteria reproduce out of control inside the fish. Those are the the fish that you see floating in the lake two days after the tournament is over. They die and either float to the surface before later sinking to the depths or they wash up on the bank for all to see that next week.

    If anything should be banned it "fizzing" and catching fish deeper than 10 ft.

    I'm guilty of catching deep fish but those that I catch are mostly crappie and I take them home for the oven. They die for a purpose. Food for my family and friends.

    I know you all mean well but think about what happens to a fish when you try to deflate the swim bladder with a dirty needle. You are not really helping the fish if it swims off and dies two days later.

    We would be better off attaching a delayed release clamp to the fish and dropping it back down into the lake's 20 ft deep section to let the fish decompress from the bends.

    Scuba divers that stay down too long and have blood that's saturated with compressed nitrogen gas have to go into a decompression chamber if they come up too soon before the nitrogen can get out of their blood steam. Gas under pressure will dissolved more gas molecules into the blood than at the surface. When you go down 33 ft you are under two (2) atmosphere of gas pressure. At the surface you are only under One (1) atmoshpere of gas pressure under normal conditions. One atmosphere of pressure is equal to 760 mm of Hg pressure or about 29" of pressure. You double that when you go down 33ft below the surface. And the increase in pressure on a fish or human is felt most when you get about ten feet down from the surface. That's about the depth that your ear drums start to want to pop if you don't equalize the pressure inside your head and ear canal with the water pressure. You have to push air from your lungs though the estacian tubes into your inner ear before the ear drums cave in from the water pressure on them. Ask any certified scuba diver and they will tell you the same thing.

    To see what a bacterial infection can do to an animal just watch the discovery channel and look for the shows about the Venomous Komoto Dragons.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon

    These reptiles will bite a mammal and then let the bacteria in their saliva do the dirty work for them. The animal dies slowly over the next few days from a bacterial infection. The Dragon just has to follow the animal until it's dying in order to have a good meal. They are similar to a poisonous snake biting a big rate and then following the fleeing rats scent until it find the rat dying from the snake's venom.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fishin is life View Post
    If you don't know how to properly fizz a fish you shouldn't be allowed to fish deep in the summer...Bringing them up from deep causes their swim bladder to overly inflate and they can't keep theirself upright, which will cause them to die...I wasn't a firm believer in fizzing a fish until I saw it actually work on a fish we caught in a tournament....Then a few times during the summer we've came in after a tournament has gone and there will be fish laying on their side on top of the water kicking around unable to go back down....We will ALWAYS take time to stop and fizz these fish and 95% of the time they will go back down....They may not all live but atleast they have a fighting chance...They're guaranteed not to live floating on top of the water

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post
    Sorry but your assuming that "Fizzing" a fish save them which I don't think is right. I've had a needle stuck into my back in order to draw out 1.5 liters of bloody fluid from my left lung. The procedure is called a "Thoracentesis".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoracentesis

    But a Thoracentesis is performed by a trained Medical Doctor who knows the human anatomy so well that he can stick a long needle into your back and into your lung and not do any real lasting damage. But the human lung is not a swim bladder. And the needle and other equipment is sterilized before use. And the skin is disinfected of bacteria before they stick the needle though the skin in the back. They take care not to introduce bacteria into the body when they perform this Thoracentesis.

    Let me tell you what it feels like to have a needle stuck into your back from the Patients point of view. It actually doesn't hurt at all until the next day. The pain of the needle going into your back is not that painful. Not what you would think. But the day afterwards you can barely take a breath. It hurts so bad that you need narcotics to ease the pain and they don't really work that good. You still hurt like He)). If I were a fish I would have died for sure.

    The liquid that they remove from your lung is used to lubricate the plural lining that protected the outside of the lung from the inside of the chest cavity. The fluid in the plural space helps the lungs to slide easily inside the chest cavity. Without that fluid there is a lot more friction between the lungs and the chest cavity and it's extremely painful to breath. It takes more than 24 hours before the fluid builds back up in the plural space so that you can breath without pain again. You will hurt for at least a day. And you take in a lot of breaths during that 24 hour period.

    The fish's swim bladder is covered with blood vessels that help to put air into the bladder though osmosis and take air out of the bladder. But that takes time and doesn't' happen very quickly. Damage to the air bladder will prevent it from filling back up. You ever try blowing up a balloon with a hole in it? The balloon fills with air only to leak the air out pretty fast.

    Fish don't live in a sterile environment. There are all kinds of bacteria, virus and fungus living in the water with the fish. If you go poking an dirty needle into the fish's swim bladder you are going to introduce all kinds of disease causing organisms into the fish's body.

    You may think that you are doing the fish a favor but you may just be introducing anthrax or some other bacteria deep into the fish's body. They fish may swim off and you may think you did a good deed by "fizzing" it but a day or two later the fish dies of toxins as the bacteria reproduce out of control inside the fish. Those are the the fish that you see floating in the lake two days after the tournament is over. They die and either float to the surface before later sinking to the depths or they wash up on the bank for all to see that next week.

    If anything should be banned it "fizzing" and catching fish deeper than 10 ft.

    I'm guilty of catching deep fish but those that I catch are mostly crappie and I take them home for the oven. They die for a purpose. Food for my family and friends.

    I know you all mean well but think about what happens to a fish when you try to deflate the swim bladder with a dirty needle. You are not really helping the fish if it swims off and dies two days later.

    We would be better off attaching a delayed release clamp to the fish and dropping it back down into the lake's 20 ft deep section to let the fish decompress from the bends.

    Scuba divers that stay down too long and have blood that's saturated with compressed nitrogen gas have to go into a decompression chamber if they come up too soon before the nitrogen can get out of their blood steam. Gas under pressure will dissolved more gas molecules into the blood than at the surface. When you go down 33 ft you are under two (2) atmosphere of gas pressure. At the surface you are only under One (1) atmoshpere of gas pressure under normal conditions. One atmosphere of pressure is equal to 760 mm of Hg pressure or about 29" of pressure. You double that when you go down 33ft below the surface. And the increase in pressure on a fish or human is felt most when you get about ten feet down from the surface. That's about the depth that your ear drums start to want to pop if you don't equalize the pressure inside your head and ear canal with the water pressure. You have to push air from your lungs though the estacian tubes into your inner ear before the ear drums cave in from the water pressure on them. Ask any certified scuba diver and they will tell you the same thing.

    To see what a bacterial infection can do to an animal just watch the discovery channel and look for the shows about the Venomous Komoto Dragons.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon

    These reptiles will bite a mammal and then let the bacteria in their saliva do the dirty work for them. The animal dies slowly over the next few days from a bacterial infection. The Dragon just has to follow the animal until it's dying in order to have a good meal. They are similar to a poisonous snake biting a big rate and then following the fleeing rats scent until it find the rat dying from the snake's venom.
    These long drawn out posts that you've been making lately really have no point....You're saying I should'nt fizz a fish for this reason and that reason...If you're saying I shouldn't fizz it, then you're saying I should let it float on top of the water and watch it die...Reading your posts lately, you obviously think a lot more of yourself and your opinions than anybody else does

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    Thats why i like CPR,the best thing too do with fish your not going too eat is let them go. http://youtu.be/TdCwtNPf3o4

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    Lots of bait fishermen went through the oxygen injection deal. It does work as far as keeping the dissolved levels up and for some things it is essential. It also requires extra space and can be quite dangerous. But in the end, to keep regular bait alive, which are way more delicate that bass, a simple bubbler (just like in aquariums) will do the job. Cool the water some, add a little salt to help hold oxygen and calm the fish and run it full time (as they do not draw much at all) while you have fish in the well. The systems for boats are cheap, easy to install, and easy to maintain. It keeps oxygen levels up and the bubbles help remove harmful carbondioxide. Oxygen systems do not and it doesn't have to be that complicated.

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    Fizzing may not work as proposed even though people mean well and think it's helping save the fish. Pretty simple.

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    Re: Dying fish in livewell...any suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post
    Fizzing may not work as proposed even though people mean well and think it's helping save the fish. Pretty simple.

    They dang sure won't live floating belly up when released after a tournament because they can't keep themselves upright

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