High School Bass Fishing

[Tim_T]

Where did that come from? I said I don't agree with awarding scholarships for sports, that's it. My point being that schools are institutions of learning, not institutions of sports. (well, most of them are) And FYI, anything that affects our children DOES matter.

Please don't ridicule the kids in the chemistry dept again. If not for them and others like them the world we enjoy today would not exist.

First off, I wasn't ridiculing anyone, merely making a point. Sports scholarships are self supporting, so they are not taking away from a single person that wanted to go to college.

If you knew people that couldn't go to college because of money, I have to wonder if they had any business there anyway. The less money you have, the easier it is to actually go to college.

You don't agree with awarding scholarships for something that actually brings money into the overall student body? Wow, I figure with your views you would be all about sports scholarships. After all, those people work as hard or harder than you ever did but most were not able to pay their way. If you want to do away with sports scholarships, than you should do away with all scholarships. After all, academic scholarships are nothing but a gift to reward someone for hard work, much like a sports scholarships.

One last thing on the subject, you do realize that scholarship athletes have a higher graduation rate than the regular student body don't you?

[sweetwater]

First off, I wasn't ridiculing anyone, merely making a point. Sports scholarships are self supporting, so they are not taking away from a single person that wanted to go to college.

If you knew people that couldn't go to college because of money, I have to wonder if they had any business there anyway. The less money you have, the easier it is to actually go to college.

You don't agree with awarding scholarships for something that actually brings money into the overall student body? Wow, I figure with your views you would be all about sports scholarships. After all, those people work as hard or harder than you ever did but most were not able to pay their way. If you want to do away with sports scholarships, than you should do away with all scholarships. After all, academic scholarships are nothing but a gift to reward someone for hard work, much like a sports scholarships.

One last thing on the subject, you do realize that scholarship athletes have a higher graduation rate than the regular student body don't you?

I don't know where you get your facts from about self sustaining athletic programs from, but according to the Lexington Herald your facts are wrong. See attached link. http://www.kentucky.com/2012/04/01/2...at-a-cost.html As for graduation rates, does your numbers account for regular tuition paying students who can't afford to finish school or the ones that go to work before they graduate? Are these kids really a failure in school? Do you know that athletes generally have access to free tutors and free regular meal plans with free housing and other students do not? If you use NCAA numbers do you realize they consider an athletic transfer student a success at every school they attend and not just the one they graduate from? If all things were equal, which group would have the best grad rate?

[Tim_T]

I don't know where you get your facts from about self sustaining athletic programs from, but according to the Lexington Herald your facts are wrong. See attached link. http://www.kentucky.com/2012/04/01/2...at-a-cost.html As for graduation rates, does your numbers account for regular tuition paying students who can't afford to finish school or the ones that go to work before they graduate? Are these kids really a failure in school? Do you know that athletes generally have access to free tutors and free regular meal plans with free housing and other students do not? If you use NCAA numbers do you realize they consider an athletic transfer student a success at every school they attend and not just the one they graduate from? If all things were equal, which group would have the best grad rate?

I gave the article a cursory glance, but I think it is including all colleges in the state, not the major universities. Also, the subsidies probably include women's swimming at Bellarmine and track and field at Berea. So techincially, my facts are right.

Graduation rate numbers are figured by the colleges i.e. the NCAA and count all athletes and all students. So if 40 % of all incoming freshmen get their degree in five years then the number is figured in based on who was a scholarship athlete and who wasn't. It still adds up that athletes graduate a a higher rate than regular students. In the mean time, the regular student HAS FAR MORE FREE TIME TO WORK ON ACADEMICS than an athlete in football and basketball.


" If you use NCAA numbers do you realize they consider an athletic transfer student a success at every school they attend and not just the one they graduate from? If all things were equal, which group would have the best grad rate?"

Uh, perhaps I am not as smart as a 'Bama grad, but I would think a graduate is a graduate, regardless of school. If that is the case, I would say the athletes (which has been stated time and again) would still have the better graduation percentage.

The Herald Leader article is using smoke and mirrors. Do you think the UK athletic program is getting general tax money to operate? What about U of L, a team that has the most profitable basketball program in the country? Instead of looking at a Herald Leader article, perhaps you should examine the budgets of the athletic departments at both UK and U of L.