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    Quote Originally Posted by kydonky View Post
    This is one ove the Urban Legands that is completely false. No where in the term dhimmitude used in the health care bill.

    So the claim is that is was there and then it was not or taken out. First the bill was not written by Pres. Obama, it was written by legislators in the house and senate (not Obama) He did sign the bill into law.

    I am not sure who Marion is. I have never heard of askmarion before. Why do they not cite sources for their information?the information?

    You cite snopes as one of your sources yet snopes says they have found this rumor to be fasle.

    Urban Legands.com has addressed this clain and has found it to be false. Factcheck.org research finds this claim false..

    Even the American Consevative Daily (a coservative website) has found this to be absolutely false.

    For your benifit I will copy post their address to the issue.


    According to Wikipedia, “Dhimmitude is a neologism . . . denoting an attitude of concession, surrender and appeasement towards Islamic demands [which] literally means protected and refers to a non-Muslim subject of a sharia law state.”Â
    What makes dhimmitude relevant is that there are reports that the word and the concept are incorporated in PPACA along with Obamacare exemptions and exceptions for Muslims on page 107 of the law.   (See below for that page in its entirety and see http://bit.ly/hRakSK and http://bit.ly/cBE7rd.)
    In point of fact, it turns out that it’s a hoax, an urban legend perpetrated by some overly-zealous, overly-imaginative Obamacare opponent who, for reasons of his own–and possibly driven to the brink of madness by the true catastrophe that is PPACA–fabricated the whole scam. There are no specific religious exclusions nor is there mention of dhimmitude on page 107 or elsewhere. Â

    Bug you have to be careful playing on the internet.
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    I try not to get involved in these kinds of discussions but usually see the politics of most of them from the same viewpoint that you and a couple of others that take place in these topics... Back when this was rumored to be in the healthcare bill, I downloaded a copy of the thing ( again from the internet) and the copy I had did contain the so-called word that is in question, I don't think Miss Bug invented what she was referring to because I also read it and it was printed as it was stated by her... I do believe our president is either muslim leaning or muslim sympathizer and do not believe he is good for our country, on the other hand, Mr Romney would be a great president for the Mitt Romneys and the Donald Trumps of the world, I do not believe he has the best interest of the work-a-day americans and the middle class americans who ever they may be in his heart... I believe John Mccain would have been a safer candidate for the most of us... Losing jobs to other countries hurts us all but I don't believe losing jobs to other countries hurts us any more than the middle class losing income to the likes of the Mitt Romneys of the country, Every millionaire we create to add to the bunch we already have means the rest of us are losing ground, I don't think our treasury prints money for the sole purpose of growing our base of rich folks so that money has to come from the rest of us and the result is a shrinking middle class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlleonard View Post
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    I try not to get involved in these kinds of discussions but usually see the politics of most of them from the same viewpoint that you and a couple of others that take place in these topics... Back when this was rumored to be in the healthcare bill, I downloaded a copy of the thing ( again from the internet) and the copy I had did contain the so-called word that is in question, I don't think Miss Bug invented what she was referring to because I also read it and it was printed as it was stated by her... I do believe our president is either muslim leaning or muslim sympathizer and do not believe he is good for our country, on the other hand, Mr Romney would be a great president for the Mitt Romneys and the Donald Trumps of the world, I do not believe he has the best interest of the work-a-day americans and the middle class americans who ever they may be in his heart... I believe John Mccain would have been a safer candidate for the most of us... Losing jobs to other countries hurts us all but I don't believe losing jobs to other countries hurts us any more than the middle class losing income to the likes of the Mitt Romneys of the country, Every millionaire we create to add to the bunch we already have means the rest of us are losing ground, I don't think our treasury prints money for the sole purpose of growing our base of rich folks so that money has to come from the rest of us and the result is a shrinking middle class.
    It is a Urban Legand, it was NEVER THERE. Its is simply just not true. A crazy rumor. The bill was written by congressional committee members of congress. The legislators never included that word in an version of the bill. There was never any special provisions for muslims in any form of the bill. The word was not removed from the bill because it was never in there to start with. Now you cite that lawmakers had a dificult time removing the word from the bill. So we do not have the names of these so called legislators, who put the word in there or even a copy of the Federal Register with that word in a version of the bill.

    Your second sentance wording "Back when this was rumored to be in the healthcare bill" explains a lot. This is a rumor....a false rumor. There is a lot of stuff on the internet and you have to look at the source.

    Finnally we have a rumor from from the internet that is just not supported by facts. If there were any truth to this rumor why would it not be covered by the national news...not the bias libral medida but Fox news. Why have ultra conservative polititians like Rush or Santorum or Paul commented on this. Simply because it never happened and they would not risk commenting on something that never happened.

    With all of the scrutiny this bill and all of the legislators that worked on this bill has had no one has ever brought this up or questioned it.
    This would simply be a major story in the media if it were true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kydonky View Post
    It is a Urban Legand, it was NEVER THERE. Its is simply just not true. A crazy rumor. The bill was written by congressional committee members of congress. The legislators never included that word in an version of the bill. There was never any special provisions for muslims in any form of the bill. The word was not removed from the bill because it was never in there to start with. Now you cite that lawmakers had a dificult time removing the word from the bill. So we do not have the names of these so called legislators, who put the word in there or even a copy of the Federal Register with that word in a version of the bill.

    Your second sentance wording "Back when this was rumored to be in the healthcare bill" explains a lot. This is a rumor....a false rumor. There is a lot of stuff on the internet and you have to look at the source.

    Finnally we have a rumor from from the internet that is just not supported by facts. If there were any truth to this rumor why would it not be covered by the national news...not the bias libral medida but Fox news. Why have ultra conservative polititians like Rush or Santorum or Paul commented on this. Simply because it never happened and they would not risk commenting on something that never happened.

    With all of the scrutiny this bill and all of the legislators that worked on this bill has had no one has ever brought this up or questioned it.
    This would simply be a major story in the media if it were true.
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    I do agree with you in that it would have been a lot of fodder for rush's cannon, I was just saying that I had read a copy of the thing that was written like miss bug had stated so there was a copy of the thing running around the internet that contained that text, not saying if it was true or not, just saying it was there.

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