Romney and Obama Videos

[GeoFisher]

Below are videos posted of Romney and Obama. Romney telling it like it is about the 47% who don't pay taxes, and **** off the TIT of gubment.

Obama talking about redistribution and STEALING my money.

Which one do you believe is best for the country, and explain why you think so.

Romney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA

Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3aGJfDSg4

Later,

Geo

[HURRICANEBOB]

http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_new...ncome-tax?lite

The 47 percent: Here's who pays no federal income taxBy Allison Linn, NBC News
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is facing a barrage of criticism by implying that nearly half of all Americans "pay no income tax" and would vote for President Barack Obama because they are dependent on government handouts.

Romney was secretly recorded at a closed-door private fundraiser in Florida in May as saying: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what."

Just who are the 47 percent?

Romney may have been referencing the nearly half of all Americans (actually 46 percent as of 2011) who pay no federal income taxes.

The Tax Policy Center, a project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, released a detailed analysis of the group in July 2011, which NBC News.com covered in a very popular Life Inc. post.

The Tax Policy Center researchers found that about half of the group is basically exempt from federal income taxes because they are low income and also may have a large family.

In a blog released not long after its report, the TPC explained that "a couple with two children earning less than $26,400 will pay no federal income tax this year because their $11,600 standard deduction and four exemptions of $3,700 each reduce their taxable income to zero."

The other half are zeroing out their federal income tax bill with other provisions, such as itemized deductions or the child tax credit. Some are seniors who are living off Social Security.

To be clear, the people in this group are still paying taxes. They are subject to payroll taxes for things like Medicare and Social Security, federal excise taxes on things like gasoline and state and local taxes including sales taxes on items they purchase.

Not everyone who pays no federal income tax is in the lower income brackets. A separate report released last spring by the Internal Revenue Service found more than 35,000 people who made more than $200,000 in 2009 also managed to zero out their tax bills. That report noted that it generally takes a number of different credits and deductions for wealthy people to not pay any federal income taxes.

[Hlleonard]

http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_new...ncome-tax?lite

The 47 percent: Here's who pays no federal income taxBy Allison Linn, NBC News
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is facing a barrage of criticism by implying that nearly half of all Americans "pay no income tax" and would vote for President Barack Obama because they are dependent on government handouts.

Romney was secretly recorded at a closed-door private fundraiser in Florida in May as saying: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what."

Just who are the 47 percent?

Romney may have been referencing the nearly half of all Americans (actually 46 percent as of 2011) who pay no federal income taxes.

The Tax Policy Center, a project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, released a detailed analysis of the group in July 2011, which NBC News.com covered in a very popular Life Inc. post.

The Tax Policy Center researchers found that about half of the group is basically exempt from federal income taxes because they are low income and also may have a large family.

In a blog released not long after its report, the TPC explained that "a couple with two children earning less than $26,400 will pay no federal income tax this year because their $11,600 standard deduction and four exemptions of $3,700 each reduce their taxable income to zero."

The other half are zeroing out their federal income tax bill with other provisions, such as itemized deductions or the child tax credit. Some are seniors who are living off Social Security.

To be clear, the people in this group are still paying taxes. They are subject to payroll taxes for things like Medicare and Social Security, federal excise taxes on things like gasoline and state and local taxes including sales taxes on items they purchase.

Not everyone who pays no federal income tax is in the lower income brackets. A separate report released last spring by the Internal Revenue Service found more than 35,000 people who made more than $200,000 in 2009 also managed to zero out their tax bills. That report noted that it generally takes a number of different credits and deductions for wealthy people to not pay any federal income taxes.

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You do realize the actual facts in this argument are irreverent to the republican party and the hard liners on this board... Anybody with two brain cells to rub together knows most of the folks in the "scum that don't pay taxes" group are working people who are under the taxable income threshold but they don't care, that doesn't bolster their stance on "the rich are way over taxed" argument... If there is a god, I hope he helps us if these folks ever get total control of our country.

[GeoFisher]

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You do realize the actual facts in this argument are irreverent to the republican party and the hard liners on this board... Anybody with two brain cells to rub together knows most of the folks in the "scum that don't pay taxes" group are working people who are under the taxable income threshold but they don't care, that doesn't bolster their stance on "the rich are way over taxed" argument... If there is a god, I hope he helps us if these folks ever get total control of our country.

Did you EVEN watch the videos.

And you DEAD wrong on your assessment that most are hard working people.

I can take you to the West End of Louisville, the South EAST end of Indy the South end of Chicago and GUARANTEE you I find ten of THOUSANDS of SCUM that will never work a day in their life.

If you're hard working and struggling, and don't pay taxes.......fine.

If you're SUCKING off the TIT of gubment, smokin KRAK every day, looking for your next trick, then do me a favor. **** on the end of a .357 Magnum........PLEASE.

Later,

Geo

[GeoFisher]

http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_new...ncome-tax?lite

The 47 percent: Here's who pays no federal income taxBy Allison Linn, NBC News
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is facing a barrage of criticism by implying that nearly half of all Americans "pay no income tax" and would vote for President Barack Obama because they are dependent on government handouts.

Romney was secretly recorded at a closed-door private fundraiser in Florida in May as saying: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what."

Just who are the 47 percent?

Romney may have been referencing the nearly half of all Americans (actually 46 percent as of 2011) who pay no federal income taxes.

The Tax Policy Center, a project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, released a detailed analysis of the group in July 2011, which NBC News.com covered in a very popular Life Inc. post.

The Tax Policy Center researchers found that about half of the group is basically exempt from federal income taxes because they are low income and also may have a large family.

In a blog released not long after its report, the TPC explained that "a couple with two children earning less than $26,400 will pay no federal income tax this year because their $11,600 standard deduction and four exemptions of $3,700 each reduce their taxable income to zero."

The other half are zeroing out their federal income tax bill with other provisions, such as itemized deductions or the child tax credit. Some are seniors who are living off Social Security.

To be clear, the people in this group are still paying taxes. They are subject to payroll taxes for things like Medicare and Social Security, federal excise taxes on things like gasoline and state and local taxes including sales taxes on items they purchase.

Not everyone who pays no federal income tax is in the lower income brackets. A separate report released last spring by the Internal Revenue Service found more than 35,000 people who made more than $200,000 in 2009 also managed to zero out their tax bills. That report noted that it generally takes a number of different credits and deductions for wealthy people to not pay any federal income taxes.

Anyone can cut and paste 10 paragraphs.........how about what YOU think......

[waterdog101]

Obama is a rich man himself, but I do believe that his younger years of life, were more like the lives of people from the middle class on down to the poverty class. but he made it to the top. and his younger memories, like yours and mine will be inside his head all his life. he understands what it's like to struggle with bills for food and rent. like most Americans do. so I think he is the one that will try to help the bottom half of the people like you and me. Romney said in a meeting at one of his fund raisers, that he didn't need to worry about the bottom 47% of Americans. and Romneys wife said back in the day, when they were first married, they got in a hard place and had to sell some of their stock.

[Hlleonard]

Did you EVEN watch the videos.

And you DEAD wrong on your assessment that most are hard working people.

I can take you to the West End of Louisville, the South EAST end of Indy the South end of Chicago and GUARANTEE you I find ten of THOUSANDS of SCUM that will never work a day in their life.

If you're hard working and struggling, and don't pay taxes.......fine.

If you're SUCKING off the TIT of gubment, smokin KRAK every day, looking for your next trick, then do me a favor. **** on the end of a .357 Magnum........PLEASE.

Later,

Geo

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Mr fisher, I don't need to visit the areas you pointed out, all I or anyone else has to do is visit the town or city we live close to in order to see these folks... I doubt you can find one person on this board who doesn't think the folks who use the system in the way you are referring to should be dealt with... Do you know anybody who makes less than 35,000 dollars a year?, because if you do you might very well know somebody that earns his living but is below the tax threshold... If you go to any fast food restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores and more and more manufacturing plants who pay their employees less than what is required to have a tax liability you might know some of these 47 percenters... You are correct in your assumption that I never watched the videos, it is quite easy to find substantiation of whatever point a person might be trying to make by mining the internet, for the most part you have to trash the first links you find because it might not bolster your or my argument which makes most of it pretty much useless... There is information out there for whatever you might be trying to find but it has to be taken with a grain of salt as in the case with Mr. Romneys 47 percent.

[mhall]

I think Romney was calling it like it was. I also think he was referring to reaching people, by both heart and mind and getting or not getting their vote. I do not think that in anyway he was saying that he wouldn't fight for people who need help.

Now for the Anti-Christ. He is a marxist, socialist and some what communist mindest. He does in fact believe with every fiber in his being that he and his band of socialist minions have all the answers and will in fact take care of all the poor innocent sheep that can't or WON'T take care of themselves. He wants very much for all the people of this nation that are lazy to have food, health care, beer money, ect ect ect..

Romney wants to take America back to what it was founded on. Hard work, determination, willing to do your part and more. Obama wants ''Obama babies'' He is weakening our country systematically through executive orders and slowly destroying our Constitution and our basic moral and core values. It's all part of his plan to destroy this country from within.

You can't MAKE LAZY people work, but you can sure take away all the freebies and let them starve. If someone really needs help I will give them the shirt off my back, anybody that knows me knows this is true. If you want me to take care of you while I bust my ass and you lay around smoking blunts and watching Jerri Springer and deal Crack all day, I call foul.

[mhall]

Obama is a rich man himself, but I do believe that his younger years of life, were more like the lives of people from the middle class on down to the poverty class. but he made it to the top. and his younger memories, like yours and mine will be inside his head all his life. he understands what it's like to struggle with bills for food and rent. like most Americans do. so I think he is the one that will try to help the bottom half of the people like you and me. Romney said in a meeting at one of his fund raisers, that he didn't need to worry about the bottom 47% of Americans. and Romneys wife said back in the day, when they were first married, they got in a hard place and had to sell some of their stock.

Good Lord...........are you related to Obama. You didn't drink the Koolaid you made it, LOL...

[HURRICANEBOB]

Anyone can cut and paste 10 paragraphs.........how about what YOU think......

Oh.....okay. I apologize for injecting facts into a political matter.

1. Anybody, of any income level, who plays by the rules, and by the rules does not have to pay taxes is okay by me.
2. Should we relook the tax rules? Yes.
3. Should people who earn more pay more? Yes, on a dollar amount basis, but not on a percentage basis. I very much support a flat tax rate for federal income tax.
4. Are there people who don't pay taxes and are constantly on welfare and taking advantage of city, county, state, and federal assistance programs, when in fact they could earn atleast some part of their upkeep? Yes, that's why their entitlements need to be reviewed, and that's why sometimes "we do need more government to police programs with good intent that are being abused"
5. Was Romney attacking those that don't pay taxes? No, he was commenting that those folks would not be likely to vote for him just because he wants tax reform. Makes sense.
6. Were his words taken out of context for political reasons? YES.
7. Was he filmed and recorded without his consent or knowledge? YES
8. When do we get to see the video of Obama's pillow talk with his wive that he didn't know anyone was filming? Oh, that would be an invasion of privacy.....so let's not go there as fair minded Americans. But on teh other hand, lets not fail to publicize video we take without a person's knowledge or consent.


But other than that, I'm not really losing any sleep over it.

[MrSplitshot]

I think Romney was calling it like it was. I also think he was referring to reaching people, by both heart and mind and getting or not getting their vote. I do not think that in anyway he was saying that he wouldn't fight for people who need help.

Right on...the Democrats are trying to make this about "Romney doesn't give a crap about you"...but I took his comments to mean that he knows he isn't going to get those people to vote for him, so he doesn't need to worry about them for the sake of trying to change their mind and get their vote in this election. The man is trying to win a Presidential race, which takes a lot of strategy. His comments are being spun just a bit, which both sides are plenty guilty of.

I don't think he would be a President who just turns his back and doesn't take care of the poor folks that really need help. They are working, but struggling, and need a helping hand. That's fine. The elderly, the disabled...he's not going to turn his back on them. If so, how come the Romney's and Conservatives in general are some of the most charitable folks on the planet? A lot of dollars from folks like this go to charity.

As for those who are lazy and want to sit on their asses all day collecting a check and milking the system while you and I work...well...I really don't care about them either.

[Hlleonard]

Oh.....okay. I apologize for injecting facts into a political matter.


I very much support a flat tax rate for federal income tax.

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Does anybody other than myself believe a flat tax income tax system would take the taxes off the f0lks who can most afford it and put them on the folks who can least afford it or would somebody explain how it wouldn't do that.