Rich people and Taxes

[Hlleonard]

I'm far from rich and I despise paying taxes too,why should someone be punished for having the initiative to work hard and gain something? Just so some scumbag like Obama can give it all to sorry butts who won't hit a lick? My family escaped from northern England and Scotland to avoid over-taxation,looks like we're gonna have to make another move because this country has turned to dung with the current administration and mindset of the socialist liberal idiots.

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Punishment?..... Not sure taxes are considered punishment, we get a lot for our tax dollars, it does seem we pay a high price for what we get... I do believe our government waste a tremendous amount of money and it's not all on the welfare programs... Welfare is something like 12% of the budget and included in that is all the spending other than the "sorry butts who won't hit a lick" ... We don't yet have a way to dispose of the folks who are born with birth defects and other afflictions that prevent them from earning their living... Don't guess there is a way to gauge who the "sorry butts who won't hit a lick" or how much of that 12% they actually consume but I believe most folks who get assistance from these programs actually need it.... Just in case you are wondering, I also see the folks you are referring to as "sorry butts who won't hit a lick" and it gripes me also that we either can't or won't do something about it but that being the major cause of our budget nightmare simply isn't true.

[GeoFisher]

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Punishment?..... Not sure taxes are considered punishment, we get a lot for our tax dollars, it does seem we pay a high price for what we get... I do believe our government waste a tremendous amount of money and it's not all on the welfare programs... Welfare is something like 12% of the budget and included in that is all the spending other than the "sorry butts who won't hit a lick" ... We don't yet have a way to dispose of the folks who are born with birth defects and other afflictions that prevent them from earning their living... Don't guess there is a way to gauge who the "sorry butts who won't hit a lick" or how much of that 12% they actually consume but I believe most folks who get assistance from these programs actually need it.... Just in case you are wondering, I also see the folks you are referring to as "sorry butts who won't hit a lick" and it gripes me also that we either can't or won't do something about it but that being the major cause of our budget nightmare simply isn't true.

12%

Care to provide a link? I looked and cannot find anything that states that............All social programs combined cost more than our military. I CAN provide a link to that.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/budget_pie_gs.php

OOPS.....answered my own question about 12% from my own link......

BUT I consider healthcare and pensions part of that social program aspect of my post. Yea, pure WELFARE is 12 % but when you throw in health care which is medicare / medicaid you get to 36%. When you throw in pensions...you get to over 50%

The pensions I might have to not include since they should NOT be included since they are funded by specific taxes taken from a persons income. Much like FICA......

Later,

Geo

[Hlleonard]

12%

Care to provide a link? I looked and cannot find anything that states that............All social programs combined cost more than our military. I CAN provide a link to that.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/budget_pie_gs.php

OOPS.....answered my own question about 12% from my own link......

BUT I consider healthcare and pensions part of that social program aspect of my post. Yea, pure WELFARE is 12 % but when you throw in health care which is medicare / medicaid you get to 36%. When you throw in pensions...you get to over 50%

The pensions I might have to not include since they should NOT be included since they are funded by specific taxes taken from a persons income. Much like FICA......

Later,

Geo

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Social programs are a big part of the budget and if you see things like social security, medicare and obamacare (which by the way might be something we cant afford) as welfare then the 12% would be way off.... I don't think referring to social security and medicare recipients as "sorry butts who won't hit a lick" is appropriate.

[SLP]

Here are some recent numbers on welfare spending.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/18/re...1-03-trillion/

[Hlleonard]

Here are some recent numbers on welfare spending.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/18/re...1-03-trillion/

The best I can tell these are the programs included in that number... I'm sure they are contained somewhere in the budget but appearantly all aren't included in what is considered welfare... There are a lot of tax dollars spent on this list that I personally don't understand, earned income credit to name one.



The 83 welfare programs that contributed to the $1 trillion tab are listed below.
Family Planning

Consolidated Health Centers
Transitional Cash and Medical Services for Refugees
State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Voluntary Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit—Low-Income Subsidy
Medicaid
Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program
Breast/Cervical Cancer Early Detection
Maternal and Child Health Block Grant
Indian Health Service
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (cash aid)
Supplemental Security Income
Additional Child Tax Credit
Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable component)
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
School Breakfast Program (free/reduced price components)
National School Lunch Program (free/reduced price components)
Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC)
Child and Adult Care Food Program (lower income components)
Summer Food Service Program
Commodity Supplemental
Food Program Nutrition Assistance for Puerto Rico
The Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP)
Nutrition Program for the Elderly
Indian Education
Adult Basic Education Grants to States
Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant
Education for the Disadvantaged—Grants to Local Educational Agencies (Title I-A)
Title I Migrant Education Program
Higher Education—Institutional Aid and Developing Institutions
Federal Work-Study
Federal TRIO Programs
Federal Pell Grants
Education for Homeless Children and Youth
21st Century Community Learning Centers
Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate Programs (GEAR-UP)
Reading First and Early Reading First
Rural Education Achievement Program
Mathematics and Science Partnerships
Improving Teacher Quality State Grants
Academic Competitiveness and Smart Grant Program
Single-Family Rural Housing Loans
Rural Rental Assistance Program
Water and Waste Disposal for Rural Communities
Public Works and Economic Development
Supportive Housing for the Elderly
Supportive Housing for Persons with Disabilities
Section 8 Project-Based Rental Assistance
Community Development Block Grants
Homeless Assistance Grants
Home Investment Partnerships Program (HOME)
Housing Opportunities for Persons with AIDS (HOPWA)
Public Housing
Indian Housing Block Grants
Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers
Neighborhood Stabilization Program-1
Grants to States for Low-Income Housing in Lieu of Low-Income Housing Credit Allocations
Tax Credit Assistance Program
Indian Human Services
Older Americans Act Grants for Supportive Services and Senior Centers
Older Americans Act Family Caregiver Program
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (social services)
Child Support Enforcement
Community Services Block Grant
Child Care and Development Fund
Head Start HHS
Developmental Disabilities Support and Advocacy Grants
Foster Care
Adoption Assistance
Social Services Block Grant
Chafee Foster Care Independence Program
Emergency Food and Shelter Program
Legal Services Corporation
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) (employment and training component)
Community Service Employment for Older Americans
Workforce Investment Act (WIA) Adult Activities
Workforce Investment Act (WIA) Youth Activities
Social Services and Targeted Assistance for Refugees
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (employment and training)
Foster Grandparents
Job Corps
Weatherization Assistance Program
Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP)





The 83 welfare programs that contributed to the $1 trillion tab are listed below.

Family Planning
Consolidated Health Centers
Transitional Cash and Medical Services for Refugees
State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Voluntary Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit—Low-Income Subsidy
Medicaid
Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program
Breast/Cervical Cancer Early Detection
Maternal and Child Health Block Grant
Indian Health Service
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (cash aid)
Supplemental Security Income
Additional Child Tax Credit
Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable component)
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
School Breakfast Program (free/reduced price components)
National School Lunch Program (free/reduced price components)
Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC)
Child and Adult Care Food Program (lower income components)
Summer Food Service Program
Commodity Supplemental
Food Program Nutrition Assistance for Puerto Rico
The Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP)
Nutrition Program for the Elderly
Indian Education
Adult Basic Education Grants to States
Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant
Education for the Disadvantaged—Grants to Local Educational Agencies (Title I-A)
Title I Migrant Education Program
Higher Education—Institutional Aid and Developing Institutions
Federal Work-Study
Federal TRIO Programs
Federal Pell Grants
Education for Homeless Children and Youth
21st Century Community Learning Centers
Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate Programs (GEAR-UP)
Reading First and Early Reading First
Rural Education Achievement Program
Mathematics and Science Partnerships
Improving Teacher Quality State Grants
Academic Competitiveness and Smart Grant Program
Single-Family Rural Housing Loans
Rural Rental Assistance Program
Water and Waste Disposal for Rural Communities
Public Works and Economic Development
Supportive Housing for the Elderly
Supportive Housing for Persons with Disabilities
Section 8 Project-Based Rental Assistance
Community Development Block Grants
Homeless Assistance Grants
Home Investment Partnerships Program (HOME)
Housing Opportunities for Persons with AIDS (HOPWA)
Public Housing
Indian Housing Block Grants
Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers
Neighborhood Stabilization Program-1
Grants to States for Low-Income Housing in Lieu of Low-Income Housing Credit Allocations
Tax Credit Assistance Program
Indian Human Services
Older Americans Act Grants for Supportive Services and Senior Centers
Older Americans Act Family Caregiver Program
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (social services)
Child Support Enforcement
Community Services Block Grant
Child Care and Development Fund
Head Start HHS
Developmental Disabilities Support and Advocacy Grants
Foster Care
Adoption Assistance
Social Services Block Grant
Chafee Foster Care Independence Program
Emergency Food and Shelter Program
Legal Services Corporation
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) (employment and training component)
Community Service Employment for Older Americans
Workforce Investment Act (WIA) Adult Activities
Workforce Investment Act (WIA) Youth Activities
Social Services and Targeted Assistance for Refugees
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (employment and training)
Foster Grandparents
Job Corps
Weatherization Assistance Program
Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP)

[GeoFisher]

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Social programs are a big part of the budget and if you see things like social security, medicare and obamacare (which by the way might be something we cant afford) as welfare then the 12% would be way off.... I don't think referring to social security and medicare recipients as "sorry butts who won't hit a lick" is appropriate.

I didnt' refer to anyone as sorry butts...don't put words in my mouth.

With regards to social security and medicare.....I think since we paid into those programs, maybe they are not pure welfare, but they are extremely subsidized.

I'd prefer the gubment give me EVERY PENNY and let me opt out. In the time I've been working I've saved/invested at least 10% of my income every year.. that 10% is worth 10 shitloads more than my "valued" amount that is reported to me every birthday by the gubment.....I have 10 x what I've paid into medicare and social security. HAD I also had the 15% that the gubment SHOULD be investing, I would never have to worry about it......Heart disease. I would have had the money to cover it. Cancer, that too.........a few hips...yep....that too.

Instead of dumbass gubment officials have squandered and borrowed the money. NOW we have a problem. NOW we need to start thinking about cuts.

I'm pissed because I've done everything right and I will probably not get one RED cent of the money I've put in over 20 years....PISSED.

[Hlleonard]

I didnt' refer to anyone as sorry butts...don't put words in my mouth.

With regards to social security and medicare.....I think since we paid into those programs, maybe they are not pure welfare, but they are extremely subsidized.

I'd prefer the gubment give me EVERY PENNY and let me opt out. In the time I've been working I've saved/invested at least 10% of my income every year.. that 10% is worth 10 shitloads more than my "valued" amount that is reported to me every birthday by the gubment.....I have 10 x what I've paid into medicare and social security. HAD I also had the 15% that the gubment SHOULD be investing, I would never have to worry about it......Heart disease. I would have had the money to cover it. Cancer, that too.........a few hips...yep....that too.

Instead of dumbass gubment officials have squandered and borrowed the money. NOW we have a problem. NOW we need to start thinking about cuts.

I'm pissed because I've done everything right and I will probably not get one RED cent of the money I've put in over 20 years....PISSED.

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My apologies if I replied to the wrong thread or used a quote that I shouldn't have.. I agree with you in that you are probably better at saving for your future than a good many other folks... I'm sure you know folks who might not have been as diligent in their planning for their future and I know that's not your fault if somebody decided to grass hopper their entire life but have you ever thought about what shape our cities would be in if we didn't provide a security blanket for these folks and the folks who might not have had a full working life and find themselves unable to provide for their future... There are a great many people who exist on social security alone, I know a few myself as I'm sure everybody here does, If not for social security, where would these folks live and what would they eat... Even if it is by their own doing, what kind of a country would we be if we allowed those folks to starve in the streets... As far as social security going broke, ain't going to happen... The powers that be have always pulled a rabbit out of the hat and will continue to do so if we are to stay a civilized country, if you outlive that status you might not get your social security check that month.