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Email your federal officials.
Man I have hundreds of 2 and 3 oz river sinkers to use up.
Click for the notice:
http://www.orn.usace.army.mil/pao/pd...rps%20Dams.pdf
and :
Restricted Areas Around Dams.
Make sure you click and watch the "Not by a damsite", and see how "dumbies" have troubles behind and infront of dams. DUMBIES..........aaaaahhhhh yeah!
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Watched that first video "Tailwater accident victim...". Some pretty mean water at Nickajack. Sheeew!Originally Posted by HURRICANEBOB
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There reasoning behind this is about safety, but....
Why is it, that our government is always so worried about keeping us safe? If I am willing to take a risk, I'm just hurting me. If I wanna sky dive, rock climb, drive a motorcycle without a helmet, not wear a seat belt, run with scissors....etc. Then it's my right to do that, how is that anyone else's buisiness?
Put up a sign that says "Hey dummy, the water's rough, you might drown, proceed at your own risk", then let ME decide!
More Nanny State BS.
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I have a different take on this mostly because as a police officer I've seen people very stupid things on the water and around the much easier to deal with locks. I never boated directly below a dam so I'm not loosing as much as many of you guys but I don't have a problem with the regulations.The risk isn't just about you.
It only takes one dummy to put a lot of rescue workers life in danger and how many dummies do you think has done that over the years? When it is very easy to prevent the behavior and risk it makes sense to implement the policy. I do question whether 500ft may be a bit much but I'm not an engineer.
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The point is there has been SO FEW accidents that this, on the surface, appears to be a major overstep.
I'd bet water rescue is needed more often in a single year on Lake Cumberland than what's been needed below these tailwaters over a 30 year period. So based on that logic we should just ban boating on the lake altogether?
Same could be said for any number of activities... backwoods hiking, rock climbing, etc.
People take risks, and others CHOSE a profession to bail them out.
The punishment does not fit the crime in this case.
500 feet is not much at all when it comes to how turbulent the water (still) is. My understanding is the boundary below Wolf will start at the end of the concrete wall on the bank that people fish off of.
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That wall is not even close to 500, maybe 150
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Just reporting what Sasser told me main guy at Wolf creek dam told him.
I'd say wall is more than 150 but who knows... Depends where you start. Sluice gates sit farther back than hydros
Q7. How many fatalities have there been in tailwaters below dams along the Cumberland River and its adjoining tributaries?
Answer: Records show the number of fatalities in the tailwater below dams is available since 1970. There have been 14 over that time period.
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42 years divided by 14 lost = 1 lost life every 3 years. Tragic I admit. What Corps lake can match that? What 50 mile stretch of US Interstate highway can match that? Hmmmmmmm.
Q10. How many fatalities due to drowning have occurred on Corps property since 1970?
Answer: 881, with 14 of them in the tailwaters. Since 2009, three fatalities, one serious injury and 10 near misses/rescues have occurred in hazardous waters immediately downstream of dams on the Cumberland River and its adjoining tributaries. Life jacket wear has been ineffective in these areas, since all of the victims who drowned wore a life jacket.
Posted 12 Dec 12,: http://www.orn.usace.army.mil/pao/Bo...-CE999-010.jpg
Note the scale in the bottom left corner. Restricted looks like it will be 500 feet.
Example of markers to be used shown.
Funny thing, one blue fishing access marker shows right at the restricted area limit. I know, that means from the sure, just looks funny.
Link for all boundarys under Nashville Corps control : Maps and Boundaries
Is McAlpine going to be effected the same way, under Louisville COE directions?
Last question: Can anyone find on the COE Nashville or Louisville pages an explanation of the warning signals/horns etc the dam/lock uses to tell fisherman they are about to start discharging rough water? I couldn't.
I found this nice quote:
Vessel operators should also heed
the warning sirens which indicate that project personnel will be
increasing flow from the dam or releasing water within the lock
discharge areas. These sirens will be operated for a period of 30
seconds, after which, there will be a 3-minute delay prior to a
release of water.
Found in the Ohio River Navigation Charts, http://www.lrl.usace.army.mil/optm/a...&MyCategory=41
on page 4.
30 seconds warning siren, then only 3 minutes till trouble. Is that time to retrieve an anchor? Is that enough time to start and engine, maybe if it takes 2 or 3 tries, and still get away. What if the motor don't start? Does that give you enough time to signal for and get help?
Click for the notice:
http://www.orn.usace.army.mil/pao/pd...rps%20Dams.pdf
and :
Restricted Areas Around Dams.
Make sure you click and watch the videos. I guess they represent the dangers.
So for safety purposes:
1. When you we get the "Thunderboats" off Cumberland?
2. When do we set a maximum speed limit on Corps Lakes, you know something safe like 55 mph max? As opposed to the 70 mph 300 hp bass boats, and the Twin Turbine Baja's running 90 + ? Example Wild boat accident caught on tape | HLNtv.com
3. When do we get tow boats off the Ohio River? Example Portion of bridge collapses after tow boat accident - 14 News, WFIE, Evansville, Henderson, Owensboro. They have not had a good record lately.
4. The Corps says this is the reason "Since 2009, three fatalities, one serious injury and 10 near misses/rescues have occurred in the hazardous waters immediately downstream of dams on the Cumberland River and its adjoining tributaries.
NOW COMPARE THAT TO ALL BOATING ACCIDENTS IN 2011 AT THE ATTACHED LINK. I think we got bigger boating hazards to fix. http://www.uscgboating.org/assets/1/...ations/557.PDF
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