School Shooting

[GeoFisher]

I feel you Ryan I do brother. This thing has hurt me and brought me to tears and I ain't ashamed to tell you all that. I have no answers other than society today is in terrible shape. We let criminals go because we don't have room to house them. People ignore major warning signs of others that have obvious issues.

There is no way in Hell anybody can tell me a 20 year old boy capable of this didn't show warning signs and probably a bunch of them. People if you know something is this broke, help to get it fixed or maybe even put away in a mental facilty or what not.

I'm just sick over this and my wife can't quit crying. God please help the families...

You're RIGHT.......this piece of **** had mental issues, and his brother even stated it. THIS **** needs to end......AND media immediately wants to point to gun control. Gun control is not the answer.

When I was in High School, my World Affairs teacher open carried EVERY DAY. He was a bad ass, and when asked about it, he bluntly stated, because it was his right, and if the **** hit the fan, he was going down shooting. He was one squared away ex POW MARINE, and a great teacher.

We trust educators with our kids all day, everyday, yet we'd never allow them to be active participants in the second amendment......

Later,

Geo

[HURRICANEBOB]

Maybe this can help answer some of our questions, and give us some hope.
Some things just defy our understanding. As tragic as this occurence is, I want to keep in mind the millions of honesty, ethical, moral, just people we call fellow Americans. Prudence dictates precautions and prevention, not hysteria or extremes or whims.
Nothing below brings back any who passed. But it may give those of us left behind a will to improve, and overcome one tragic exception to what we all aspire to be.


If.... by Rudyard Kipling
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream — and not make dreams your master;
If you can think — and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings — nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And which is more; you'll be a Man, my son!

[jcb]

yes they did, but not to the extent that its happening now.And I cant recall any mass attacks targetting children. Of course there are a heck of a lot more of us now, than then. Television wasn't as violent, and the first video games in the late 60s were not gory. There isn't any easy or practical solution to this, its going to happen again. Maybe just reading about it in the paper, or hearing it on the radio might lessen some of the copy catness to it. who knows

I heard on the radio yesterday that a study showed that the number of mass killings has remained virtually unchanged for decades. There wasn't any data they discussed about children vs. adults that I heard.

I think you're right, though, about the impact of TV and the copycat factor.

[DJD]

I just read an interesting thing. I know many people have said it before, but in the wake of the resent shooting: A young child asks God how could you let such evil things happen in schools? God replies I am not aloud in schools.

As I looked at my two girls tonight I could not help think of what if. I would lay my life down for a complete stranger and have put my life at risk many times as many other men and women have done in my profession. The same as men and women in the Armed Services have done and continue to do.

I can't help but, think what the flip is wrong with people. I know are justice system is a joke. But, it has to be more than just that.

I guess what I am getting at is maybe not everyone needs a trophy or telling a kid he is getting an F is a bad thing.

Did things like this happen in the 1950's? I don't think so.

Why?

Sorry for the rant just trying to make sense of it. I don't know maybe it was 10 too many Miller Lites.

I cannot begin to feel the loss these families feel. Every time I think hard about what they must be going through I get tears in my eyes and my heart hurts.
This tragic event just shows me how sick this world has become. Geez......what a mess.

[GeoFisher]

I just read an interesting thing. I know many people have said it before, but in the wake of the resent shooting: A young child asks God how could you let such evil things happen in schools? God replies I am not aloud in schools.

As I looked at my two girls tonight I could not help think of what if. I would lay my life down for a complete stranger and have put my life at risk many times as many other men and women have done in my profession. The same as men and women in the Armed Services have done and continue to do.

I can't help but, think what the flip is wrong with people. I know are justice system is a joke. But, it has to be more than just that.

I guess what I am getting at is maybe not everyone needs a trophy or telling a kid he is getting an F is a bad thing.

Did things like this happen in the 1950's? I don't think so.

Why?

Sorry for the rant just trying to make sense of it. I don't know maybe it was 10 too many Miller Lites.

When you remove GOD from society, you get crazed gunmen who have no moral compass.

Maybe GOD is not the answer, but it certainly is NOT the problem.

And all my atheist friends here need not respond. Don't spout off garbage about how many people have been killed in the name of Christianity, and don't spout off about how McVeigh was a Christian. Neither of those are relevant.

My problem is that I know exactly ZERO followers of the lord who would do such a thing, yet, I know a crap ton of non followers who I think COULD do something like this.


I don't think people snap. I don't think people just up and decide to go kill a few dozen people at an elementary school. Rather, I think people like this cold KILLER leave plenty of signs of their craziness. His own brother has stated he had mental problems.

[GeoFisher]

I guess what I am getting at is maybe not everyone needs a trophy or telling a kid he is getting an F is a bad thing.

Did things like this happen in the 1950's? I don't think so.

Why?

Sorry for the rant just trying to make sense of it. I don't know maybe it was 10 too many Miller Lites.

IN the 1950's when you failed at something, you LEARNED from it.........

In the 1950's if you took a gun to school, it was for show and tell, and EVERYONE respected it.

In the 1950's if you even thought about doing something bad at school, or DID something bad at school, not only did you get your ASS beat at school, when you got home, your dad beat your ass, called your grand father, and he beat your ass, and then called the neighbor to beat your ass.

When they were done, if you still didn't get the idea, your mom beat your ass.

Now, if you do anything wrong, your parents sue the school and the teacher.

Something's gotta give.

Later,

Geo