Earned Income Tax Credit?

[DJD]

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Actually this has been discussed here before, most of you guys who seem to be hard to the right kinda get something akin to horse blinder as far as your opinion of folks who have a different point of view than yourself... I personally believe we are a better country than we were 60 or so years ago and I believe that is a result of the food stamp and other assistance programs that makes it less of a struggle for folks who actually need assistance even though there is a lot of abuse of the 'freebies' as you guys like to call it.

Well all you have to do is substitute "right" with the word "left" and I believe I could have posted that line. We will have to disagree on why our country is a better place. I believe in the last 60 years small business and technology made us a better country. Gubment handouts didn't do it.
No one argues that some people need help. I just say that with so much abuse why do we continue to make more programs that can be abused? It has to stop or we will be like Europe in so many ways. It's easy for folks like yourself to say help the needy even though there is abuse who cares just give them more more more. Ok, as a country lets do that. Now what? We have more people sukking off the gubment than we have paying in??? Isn't that where we are headed? At some point don't we stop the madness??
I know we all get some relief from taxes and without it things would be more rough and tough than they are but I just don't seem to mind as much when people are actually putting their time in. Abuse, neglect and entitlement attitudes are killing this country and attitudes like yours enables this. You seem to believe that since we can't stop the abuse lets continue feeding the system. I tend to believe we stop giving away so much and make people do for themselves. Sure it's going to be hard but if we don't start correcting this now we are in deep doodoo. How do we correct it? I don't know but we have so called leaders who should be working on this instead of gun control and global warming...hahaha I managed to get that in there!!

[Hlleonard]

Well all you have to do is substitute "right" with the word "left" and I believe I could have posted that line. We will have to disagree on why our country is a better place. I believe in the last 60 years small business and technology made us a better country. Gubment handouts didn't do it.
No one argues that some people need help. I just say that with so much abuse why do we continue to make more programs that can be abused? It has to stop or we will be like Europe in so many ways. It's easy for folks like yourself to say help the needy even though there is abuse who cares just give them more more more. Ok, as a country lets do that. Now what? We have more people sukking off the gubment than we have paying in??? Isn't that where we are headed? At some point don't we stop the madness??
I know we all get some relief from taxes and without it things would be more rough and tough than they are but I just don't seem to mind as much when people are actually putting their time in. Abuse, neglect and entitlement attitudes are killing this country and attitudes like yours enables this. You seem to believe that since we can't stop the abuse lets continue feeding the system. I tend to believe we stop giving away so much and make people do for themselves. Sure it's going to be hard but if we don't start correcting this now we are in deep doodoo. How do we correct it? I don't know but we have so called leaders who should be working on this instead of gun control and global warming...hahaha I managed to get that in there!!

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Until we come up with someway to separate the needy from the losers, I really don't see how we can stop assistance without putting a lot of people out in the cold, hungry without the ability to do anything about it... The welfare losers won't starve or freeze because if all else fails they will provide for themselves but not everybody who gets assistance has that option... I seriously doubt you or anybody else here would tolerate a government that allowed kids to go hungry, regardless of who those kids belonged to.

[Tyme2fish]

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... I seriously doubt you or anybody else here would tolerate a government that allowed kids to go hungry, regardless of who those kids belonged to.

OK, call me a cold,heartless,*******, but I am sick and tired of the reasoning that it's all for the children. I call bullcrap.

After all handouts are terminated, set up food kitchens and meal centers. No cash for beer and cigs,etc, we'll just supply the needy with food that is be to consumed on site.

Why aren't EBT cards reduced in the school months as all the "children" get breakfast and lunch at school. You mean to tell me that these low lifes can't feed their kids one meal a day?

Your argument states, "We have fraud and abuse and a totally unsustainable program, but let's make sure the children are fed." Tough, don't breed them if you can't feed them.

[GeoFisher]

OK, call me a cold,heartless,*******, but I am sick and tired of the reasoning that it's all for the children. I call bullcrap.

After all handouts are terminated, set up food kitchens and meal centers. No cash for beer and cigs,etc, we'll just supply the needy with food that is be to consumed on site.

Why aren't EBT cards reduced in the school months as all the "children" get breakfast and lunch at school. You mean to tell me that these low lifes can't feed their kids one meal a day?

Your argument states, "We have fraud and abuse and a totally unsustainable program, but let's make sure the children are fed." Tough, don't breed them if you can't feed them.

What.....no using the EBT card to buy lap dances..........

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Later,

Geo

[Hlleonard]

OK, call me a cold,heartless,*******, but I am sick and tired of the reasoning that it's all for the children. I call bullcrap.

After all handouts are terminated, set up food kitchens and meal centers. No cash for beer and cigs,etc, we'll just supply the needy with food that is be to consumed on site.

Why aren't EBT cards reduced in the school months as all the "children" get breakfast and lunch at school. You mean to tell me that these low lifes can't feed their kids one meal a day?

Your argument states, "We have fraud and abuse and a totally unsustainable program, but let's make sure the children are fed." Tough, don't breed them if you can't feed them.

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You might be the exception to 'nobody would tolerate a government that would allow kids to go hungry' thankfully there aren't a lot of folks like yourself.... There are countries on the planet that sees your point of view, you can actually go live in one of those if you wish, you don't have to change this country to one of those.

[GeoFisher]

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You might be the exception to 'nobody would tolerate a government that would allow kids to go hungry' thankfully there aren't a lot of folks like yourself.... There are countries on the planet that sees your point of view, you can actually go live in one of those if you wish, you don't have to change this country to one of those.

AND just as you state, there are also a **** ton of socialist countries that advocate the very systems you love.

How about YOU move there.

[Hlleonard]

AND just as you state, there are also a **** ton of socialist countries that advocate the very systems you love.

How about YOU move there.

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Not necessary... We have a great country as it is, I actually don't wish to see anybody go without food, Mr TimE seems to be advocating that.

[DJD]

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Not necessary... We have a great country as it is, I actually don't wish to see anybody go without food, Mr TimE seems to be advocating that.

Got news for you....plenty of people go hungry in this country and plenty of people who gave years of their lives suffer from under funding of the VA and benefits. Think maybe if the gubment really wanted to take care of the folks who paid their way they would fund veterans care better than some woman having babies from 5 different fathers or some illegal here mooching off the system?

[GeoFisher]

Got news for you....plenty of people go hungry in this country and plenty of people who gave years of their lives suffer from under funding of the VA and benefits. Think maybe if the gubment really wanted to take care of the folks who paid their way they would fund veterans care better than some woman having babies from 5 different fathers or some illegal here mooching off the system?

No doubt.......it is AMAZING the folks that insist that we pay for all these ignorant fools that spit out kids by 6 different fathers, yet turn a blind eye when it comes to our veterans.

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Later,

Geo

[Hlleonard]

Got news for you....plenty of people go hungry in this country and plenty of people who gave years of their lives suffer from under funding of the VA and benefits. Think maybe if the gubment really wanted to take care of the folks who paid their way they would fund veterans care better than some woman having babies from 5 different fathers or some illegal here mooching off the system?

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How would you suggest we fix the problems you pointed out?... I agree we have not solved all out social ills, we have a homeless population which include veterans and others.... We do have moochers, how do we determine who are moochers and who are truly needy, I agree we need to but causing more hunger just don't seem the answer to me.... Kids from 5 different fathers, yes, you have any answers? Starving the kids doesn't look like it would fix that problem.

[GeoFisher]

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How would you suggest we fix the problems you pointed out?... I agree we have not solved all out social ills, we have a homeless population which include veterans and others.... We do have moochers, how do we determine who are moochers and who are truly needy, I agree we need to but causing more hunger just don't seem the answer to me.... Kids from 5 different fathers, yes, you have any answers? Starving the kids doesn't look like it would fix that problem.

* Homeless - If homeless and crazy, institutionalize them. We used to do JUST that. Most homeless are crazy.

* Veterans - If homeless and suffering ANY of the various war related ailments, GET THEM HELP. It is unreal that we'd give an able bodied baby momma with 15 kids from 10 different fathers THOUSANDS of dollars/month, but cannot take care of our veterans.

* Moochers - Identify them, and KICK them off the roles. When they commit a crime, put them away for a long time. If they are Illegal, which a crap ton are..........SEND THEM HOME.

* Kids from 5 different fathers - As above, that is tough. TAKE the kids, put them in a home (probably better off anyways), and KICK MOMMA on the streets. When she prostitutes herself or whatever else, lock her up.

* 5 different deadbeat fathers.........WORK programs. Government work programs working on the worse jobs known to man. Don't TAKE jobs that folks will actually work.......rather use the jobs even a Mexican immigrant won't do.

Oh, and change our prison system so that when you're in prison it FEELS like prison. Way too many criminals have no problem doing time. You know maybe our prisons need to get a serious UN rep for human rights violations. Maybe that would send a message that YOU REALLY don't want to be in prison in the United States.

[Hlleonard]

Homeless - If homeless and crazy, institutionalize them. We used to do JUST that. Most homeless are crazy.

Yes, we did do this in the past and I'm not sure why we got away from that...I agree

Veterans - If homeless and suffering ANY of the various war related ailments, GET THEM HELP. It is unreal that we'd give an able bodied baby momma with 15 kids from 10 different fathers THOUSANDS of dollars/month, but cannot take care of our veterans.

Again I agree, we do need to do a better job caring for our vets.

Moochers - Identify them, and KICK them off the roles. When they commit a crime, put them away for a long time. If they are Illegal, which a crap ton are..........SEND THEM HOME.

Again I agree... It seems I remember the powers that be whining about it costing more to police the welfare system than to just write them a check, I can't believe thats true, I think in the long run the system would work better.

Kids from 5 different fathers - As above, that is tough. TAKE the kids, put them in a home (probably better off anyways), and KICK MOMMA on the streets. When she prostitutes herself or whatever else, lock her up.

We tried orphanages in the past and I'm not sure they worked very well, don't have a problem with moving mama out in the street to fend for herself if she is able to do so as long as the kids she has are cared for, don't have a problem with locking her up if she is breaking our laws.

5 different deadbeat fathers.........WORK programs. Government work programs working on the worse jobs known to man. Don't TAKE jobs that folks will actually work.......rather use the jobs even a Mexican immigrant won't do.

Yes, we should do a better job of dealing with deadbeat fathers.

Oh, and change our prison system so that when you're in prison it FEELS like prison. Way too many criminals have no problem doing time. You know maybe our prisons need to get a serious UN rep for human rights violations. Maybe that would send a message that YOU REALLY don't want to be in prison in the United States.

Again I agree, I don't personally care if someone breaks our laws and as a result go to a prison where it is a bit uncomfortable.

All these things would very likely cost more in tax dollars than we are spending now to deal with them so I'm not sure we would be helping ourselves as far as taxes are concerned but other than the cost these are good suggestions.