Earned Income Tax Credit?

[Tim_T]

Earned income buys GREAT big freakin big screen TV's for folks who have never EARNED a **** thing.

You know what......I make pretty **** good money and don't have a 46 in flat screen........

Give these folks a windfall does nothing but KEEP them on the program. Give them nothing, tell them to get their azz to work and WORK MORE to support their families.

If they have to work 80 or 90 hours a week at 2 or 3 jobs......SO WHAT. People did it for years. People STILL do it.

I'm tired if giving money to folks. TIRED.

Later,

Geo

My daughter and her husband get earned income credit because of my grandson. Both work (daughter part time, son in law full time) while both go to school full time. They have lived on their own since they were married three years ago. I was at their apartment Saturday to pick up my grandson to take him to the monster trucks and must have missed the big flat screen tv, the fancy cars etc. I swear you guys see a couple of people defrauding the system and assume that everyone does it. It is f-n ridiculous.

[Tyme2fish]

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... I seriously doubt you or anybody else here would tolerate a government that allowed kids to go hungry, regardless of who those kids belonged to.

OK, call me a cold,heartless,*******, but I am sick and tired of the reasoning that it's all for the children. I call bullcrap.

After all handouts are terminated, set up food kitchens and meal centers. No cash for beer and cigs,etc, we'll just supply the needy with food that is be to consumed on site.

Why aren't EBT cards reduced in the school months as all the "children" get breakfast and lunch at school. You mean to tell me that these low lifes can't feed their kids one meal a day?

Your argument states, "We have fraud and abuse and a totally unsustainable program, but let's make sure the children are fed." Tough, don't breed them if you can't feed them.

[GeoFisher]

My daughter and her husband get earned income credit because of my grandson. Both work (daughter part time, son in law full time) while both go to school full time. They have lived on their own since they were married three years ago. I was at their apartment Saturday to pick up my grandson to take him to the monster trucks and must have missed the big flat screen tv, the fancy cars etc. I swear you guys see a couple of people defrauding the system and assume that everyone does it. It is f-n ridiculous.

I understand that Tim, and it is a bad assumption on my part.

I too know quite a bit of folks that get it too........BUT I also know a lot of those folks that use the "earned" income as a windfall and do stupid things with it.

If the gubment insists on distributing "earned" income, then it should be distributed in very SPECIFIC methods to guarantee it is used effectively.

When you accept a handout from the uncle Sugar, you should NOT have expectations of privacy or whatever when spending it.

And they key that you stated here......I suspect their usage of earned income is temporary because they are both trying to better themselves.

My whole point with these types of programs is they should have expiration dates.

Later,

Geo

[GeoFisher]

OK, call me a cold,heartless,*******, but I am sick and tired of the reasoning that it's all for the children. I call bullcrap.

After all handouts are terminated, set up food kitchens and meal centers. No cash for beer and cigs,etc, we'll just supply the needy with food that is be to consumed on site.

Why aren't EBT cards reduced in the school months as all the "children" get breakfast and lunch at school. You mean to tell me that these low lifes can't feed their kids one meal a day?

Your argument states, "We have fraud and abuse and a totally unsustainable program, but let's make sure the children are fed." Tough, don't breed them if you can't feed them.

What.....no using the EBT card to buy lap dances..........

EXCLUSIVE: Welfare recipients using EBT cards to get cash at strip clubs, X-rated video stores and bars - NYPOST.com

Later,

Geo

[DJD]

My daughter and her husband get earned income credit because of my grandson. Both work (daughter part time, son in law full time) while both go to school full time. They have lived on their own since they were married three years ago. I was at their apartment Saturday to pick up my grandson to take him to the monster trucks and must have missed the big flat screen tv, the fancy cars etc. I swear you guys see a couple of people defrauding the system and assume that everyone does it. It is f-n ridiculous.

Well lets be fair here....we have all seen alot more than a few abuse the system. Even had Bobby on here talking about how the abuse is worse than ever and that's his job at the state processing this stuff.
Your touchy on this because of your daughter and grandson. No one assumes everyone does it and that has been stated on more than one occasion. So I say to you, relax man nobody picked you or your family out on this, why would I or we do that??
We all have family who have struggled and fought to get ahead...at least I do but I still can see the abuse that takes place without getting upset. Hell my sister lived at home until she was 40 years old with a child. She lived like a Queen since my parents let her and all the while mean old big bro was knocking her on not saving money and moving out. Well why would she? She had it made!! Now years later she struggles, little to no credit, her daughter moved back in with my mom and my sister lives by herself in a condo which is a waste of cash. So like I said we all have a story. No offense meant from me Tim.

[Hlleonard]

OK, call me a cold,heartless,*******, but I am sick and tired of the reasoning that it's all for the children. I call bullcrap.

After all handouts are terminated, set up food kitchens and meal centers. No cash for beer and cigs,etc, we'll just supply the needy with food that is be to consumed on site.

Why aren't EBT cards reduced in the school months as all the "children" get breakfast and lunch at school. You mean to tell me that these low lifes can't feed their kids one meal a day?

Your argument states, "We have fraud and abuse and a totally unsustainable program, but let's make sure the children are fed." Tough, don't breed them if you can't feed them.

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You might be the exception to 'nobody would tolerate a government that would allow kids to go hungry' thankfully there aren't a lot of folks like yourself.... There are countries on the planet that sees your point of view, you can actually go live in one of those if you wish, you don't have to change this country to one of those.

[GeoFisher]

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You might be the exception to 'nobody would tolerate a government that would allow kids to go hungry' thankfully there aren't a lot of folks like yourself.... There are countries on the planet that sees your point of view, you can actually go live in one of those if you wish, you don't have to change this country to one of those.

AND just as you state, there are also a **** ton of socialist countries that advocate the very systems you love.

How about YOU move there.

[Hlleonard]

AND just as you state, there are also a **** ton of socialist countries that advocate the very systems you love.

How about YOU move there.

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Not necessary... We have a great country as it is, I actually don't wish to see anybody go without food, Mr TimE seems to be advocating that.

[DJD]

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Not necessary... We have a great country as it is, I actually don't wish to see anybody go without food, Mr TimE seems to be advocating that.

Got news for you....plenty of people go hungry in this country and plenty of people who gave years of their lives suffer from under funding of the VA and benefits. Think maybe if the gubment really wanted to take care of the folks who paid their way they would fund veterans care better than some woman having babies from 5 different fathers or some illegal here mooching off the system?

[GeoFisher]

Got news for you....plenty of people go hungry in this country and plenty of people who gave years of their lives suffer from under funding of the VA and benefits. Think maybe if the gubment really wanted to take care of the folks who paid their way they would fund veterans care better than some woman having babies from 5 different fathers or some illegal here mooching off the system?

No doubt.......it is AMAZING the folks that insist that we pay for all these ignorant fools that spit out kids by 6 different fathers, yet turn a blind eye when it comes to our veterans.

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Later,

Geo

[Hlleonard]

Got news for you....plenty of people go hungry in this country and plenty of people who gave years of their lives suffer from under funding of the VA and benefits. Think maybe if the gubment really wanted to take care of the folks who paid their way they would fund veterans care better than some woman having babies from 5 different fathers or some illegal here mooching off the system?

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How would you suggest we fix the problems you pointed out?... I agree we have not solved all out social ills, we have a homeless population which include veterans and others.... We do have moochers, how do we determine who are moochers and who are truly needy, I agree we need to but causing more hunger just don't seem the answer to me.... Kids from 5 different fathers, yes, you have any answers? Starving the kids doesn't look like it would fix that problem.

[GeoFisher]

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How would you suggest we fix the problems you pointed out?... I agree we have not solved all out social ills, we have a homeless population which include veterans and others.... We do have moochers, how do we determine who are moochers and who are truly needy, I agree we need to but causing more hunger just don't seem the answer to me.... Kids from 5 different fathers, yes, you have any answers? Starving the kids doesn't look like it would fix that problem.

* Homeless - If homeless and crazy, institutionalize them. We used to do JUST that. Most homeless are crazy.

* Veterans - If homeless and suffering ANY of the various war related ailments, GET THEM HELP. It is unreal that we'd give an able bodied baby momma with 15 kids from 10 different fathers THOUSANDS of dollars/month, but cannot take care of our veterans.

* Moochers - Identify them, and KICK them off the roles. When they commit a crime, put them away for a long time. If they are Illegal, which a crap ton are..........SEND THEM HOME.

* Kids from 5 different fathers - As above, that is tough. TAKE the kids, put them in a home (probably better off anyways), and KICK MOMMA on the streets. When she prostitutes herself or whatever else, lock her up.

* 5 different deadbeat fathers.........WORK programs. Government work programs working on the worse jobs known to man. Don't TAKE jobs that folks will actually work.......rather use the jobs even a Mexican immigrant won't do.

Oh, and change our prison system so that when you're in prison it FEELS like prison. Way too many criminals have no problem doing time. You know maybe our prisons need to get a serious UN rep for human rights violations. Maybe that would send a message that YOU REALLY don't want to be in prison in the United States.