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[FlyLie]

I sure hope we don't use a drone strike to KILL the terrorist that KNOWS about shipments of uranium moving from North Korea to Gaza.......or the Iranian shipment of Nuke material to terrorists in Mali.....or the radical Islamic terrorist that knows of plans to move a dirty bomb through the border in Brownsville, Texas.

I'm just saying........actionable intelligence is lost when we use drones. Boots on the ground, capturing the bad guys, and waterboarding the LIVING **** out of them, has lead to very good intelligence. Intelligence that has disrupted thousands of attempted attacks, and lead directly to the EXECUTION of Osama.

Yea, using drones is a great idea if you want to keep your hands clean, but war is DIRTY.

Later,

Geo

As always, you want to resort to TALKING POINTS on T
v news. So's now, GEO, how many American Lives would you donate to the enemy, in order to achieve you goal? By the way..., did you ever serve in the USA armed services? Yes or No, If so, you must have been a hell of a fighting machine....

[Hlleonard]

I don't have a problem killing terrorist, Osama Bin Laden might have been a wealth of information also, I'm not sorry he is dead... Is water boarding torture? If so, I don't like the idea of resorting to that practice, we don't have to be like the people we abhor... I don't have a problem killing a stray dog, torturing it is another matter.

[DJD]

I don't have a problem killing terrorist, Osama Bin Laden might have been a wealth of information also, I'm not sorry he is dead... Is water boarding torture? If so, I don't like the idea of resorting to that practice, we don't have to be like the people we abhor... I don't have a problem killing a stray dog, torturing it is another matter.

Gotta qualify my opinion here.....I'm an eye for an eye type of guy. Your people torture or behead mine expect the same X 10. I'm a believer of fighting fire with fire. This is a new day in war with terrorist activity being the form of attacks. The days of conventional warfare are over. It's who can be meaner or more evil to get what they want.
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems that wars are fought out of Washington and not on the front lines and that's wrong. Politicians are not generals and not trained in warfare. Sure they get opinions and reports from the experts but IMO their decisions are based on politics and wanting to be liked by our enemies.
As far as enemies go.....kill em all and let god or Allah sort them out.

[GeoFisher]

Gotta qualify my opinion here.....I'm an eye for an eye type of guy. Your people torture or behead mine expect the same X 10. I'm a believer of fighting fire with fire. This is a new day in war with terrorist activity being the form of attacks. The days of conventional warfare are over. It's who can be meaner or more evil to get what they want.
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems that wars are fought out of Washington and not on the front lines and that's wrong. Politicians are not generals and not trained in warfare. Sure they get opinions and reports from the experts but IMO their decisions are based on politics and wanting to be liked by our enemies.
As far as enemies go.....kill em all and let god or Allah sort them out.

AND I completely agree..........and I love killing these radicals with drone strikes just like the next guy, BUT there are some cases, and probably more than we know about where we should CAPTURE instead of kill....gather the information, then convict and execute. I think this administration is using the whole drone issue to save face with their liberal friends because of rendition and guantinamo........Obama and his minions were so AGAINST rendition and guantinamo that they must use drones.

Later,

Geo

[Hlleonard]

Gotta qualify my opinion here.....I'm an eye for an eye type of guy. Your people torture or behead mine expect the same X 10. I'm a believer of fighting fire with fire. This is a new day in war with terrorist activity being the form of attacks. The days of conventional warfare are over. It's who can be meaner or more evil to get what they want.
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems that wars are fought out of Washington and not on the front lines and that's wrong. Politicians are not generals and not trained in warfare. Sure they get opinions and reports from the experts but IMO their decisions are based on politics and wanting to be liked by our enemies.
As far as enemies go.....kill em all and let god or Allah sort them out.

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I just don't believe we have to resort to the same things that we hate in others to get to where we want to go... We look at countries that do these things then look at ourselves and I believe we are a better country for being less anxious to stoop the their level... I have absolutely no problem with killing our enemies and I believe we would put our service men and women at greater risk in trying to capture them and I don't believe it is necessary to resort to torture to protect our country, we have done a pretty good job up until now and I believe we can continue to do so in the future.

[DJD]

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I just don't believe we have to resort to the same things that we hate in others to get to where we want to go... We look at countries that do these things then look at ourselves and I believe we are a better country for being less anxious to stoop the their level... I have absolutely no problem with killing our enemies and I believe we would put our service men and women at greater risk in trying to capture them and I don't believe it is necessary to resort to torture to protect our country, we have done a pretty good job up until now and I believe we can continue to do so in the future.

Man I have to say your being naive thinking we haven't done some atrocious things in war....it's war. The millions of men and women who have fought for the USA can't be watched all the time but we get glimpses of things and if you get glimpses your only seeing a small percentage.....but what is torture? Aggressive interrogation techniques? Who defines it? Is a picture posing with captives torture? Waterboarding?
As humans we all get emotional and stress will do some things to you that otherwise never comes out. Look at the Vietnam war, WWII and the more recent wars.
I don't think every soldier tortures and not every instance requires it but when it's time to torture to get info from prisoner or take care of business I say do it and move on. The potus was against it and all this other drivel about Gitmo and terrorist being tortured. McCain even took the approach of no torture but it's just my opinion that they are wrong. It doesn't mean I don't respect McCain I just don't agree with him. Now the potus....I respect next to nothing about him. Haha breaking news huh?

[Hlleonard]

Man I have to say your being naive thinking we haven't done some atrocious things in war....it's war. The millions of men and women who have fought for the USA can't be watched all the time but we get glimpses of things and if you get glimpses your only seeing a small percentage.....but what is torture? Aggressive interrogation techniques? Who defines it? Is a picture posing with captives torture? Waterboarding?
As humans we all get emotional and stress will do some things to you that otherwise never comes out. Look at the Vietnam war, WWII and the more recent wars.
I don't think every soldier tortures and not every instance requires it but when it's time to torture to get info from prisoner or take care of business I say do it and move on. The potus was against it and all this other drivel about Gitmo and terrorist being tortured. McCain even took the approach of no torture but it's just my opinion that they are wrong. It doesn't mean I don't respect McCain I just don't agree with him. Now the potus....I respect next to nothing about him. Haha breaking news huh?

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I do understand the feelings a lot of us have about this issue and I know also that a good bit of these kinds of things happen and the temptation to use methods that maybe a lot of us might oppose, I also understand that the majority of us who are saying not to do these things are not close to the situation and demanding something be done then passing judgement on how it is done... I just don't believe we should have a policy of using torture as an accepted method of interrogation... As far as water boarding, I'm not sure that can be considered torture, it seems to be more psychological than psychical to me but I have not been water boarded so I don't know, doesn't seem any worse to me than putting a bright light in his face and yelling at him for 10 or 12 hours.

[HURRICANEBOB]

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it seems to be more psychological than psychical to me but I have not been water boarded so I don't know, doesn't seem any worse to me than putting a bright light in his face and yelling at him for 10 or 12 hours.

It's both. The physical trauma of a near drowning sensation causes reduced will to resist. The fear of having to endure that sensation again makes compliance a less painful alternative.

Ever hear someone say "Answer me or I'll hold you down till you bubble"? Same thing.

[Hlleonard]

It's both. The physical trauma of a near drowning sensation causes reduced will to resist. The fear of having to endure that sensation again makes compliance a less painful alternative.

Ever hear someone say "Answer me or I'll hold you down till you bubble"? Same thing.

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I'm guessing the persons we capture do have information that is useful to us but me like a lot of other folks aren't sure how far we should go in extracting that information, if we are going to get any information there has to be some means we can use to do so and water boarding seem to be the lesser of most of the evils I have heard about, I'm sure most of these individuals aren't too forth coming with what they might know.

[HURRICANEBOB]

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I'm guessing the persons we capture do have information that is useful to us but me like a lot of other folks aren't sure how far we should go in extracting that information, if we are going to get any information there has to be some means we can use to do so and water boarding seem to be the lesser of most of the evils I have heard about, I'm sure most of these individuals aren't too forth coming with what they might know.

I agree, a civilized society under attack by less restrained adversaries ends up walking a fine line between gaining information to protect it's people and still remaining a humane society.

Interrogators realize, sometimes the information you get is just what the person thinks you want to hear to stop the pain, as opposed to the truth. Sometimes the more civilized way gets better intel, rewards vs punishment, carrots vs sticks. Lots of tools available to interrogators. And I agree with you, its a balancing act to ensure the means really do justify the results.

As a freind of mine says "It's a matter of what you can live with to stay living, versus the living you won't do if you try to live without it".

[roadrunner]

My personal opinion I do not think we should use enhanced interrogation if we are fighting a war with another country. Their soldiers are just like ours they are fighting for their country. I do not believe we extend the same principles to terrorist in my view they are totally different than someone who's is fighting a war for a country. A terrorist is not a human being in my book they are a rabid animal that need to be put down.

[Tyme2fish]

roadrunner, I understand what you're stating but one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
In 1776 I'm sure the "patriots" were considered terrorists by King George.

To the victors goes the right to write history.