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[greenriverman1]

You're STILL putting words in my mouth! I have NEVER said or IMPLIED I was a "dedicated NON believer." The few times I've posted about my personal beliefs, I've tried to make it clear that I don't presume to know the truth (and no, I'd rather not get into a theological discussion just now).

And whether you choose to believe it or not, you can be in favor of reproductive rights without supporting late term abortion.

Matthew 5:21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall killshall be in danger of the judgment:

Show me where it says that we can abort babies?

[greenriverman1]

You cant have an argument with a conservaturd.They only have one point of view, and many are too shallow to admit it. get to facts and they throw in the GOD factor, that means to them GODdont make junk. He didn't make "queers" or mongoloid children, birth defects are the cause of liberal sinning.Poor people are not motavated. Natural disasters are "pay back" for sins.

God is the main factor.
mongoloid? Where did mongoloid come from? God created us all.
Abortion kills part of god"s creation.

God gave us a book of laws to follow. Who am I to say God was wrong and we should abort children?

[apb]

eo, I think that sums up one of the major differences between liberals and conservatives. A liberal will change their mind in light of new data. A conservative sticks by their original view and will not change no matter what new data is presented. It is not a question of morals, its about having some common sense in recognizing that one is not always right.

Your comment on late term abortion is complete bull. This discussion has come up here in the past and I do not recall any of the "liberal" members on this forum being in favor of late term abortion. The only time that I would see that as an option is in the case of dangers to the mother's health. For example, if it were determined that the fetus would be stillborn and delivering the baby has a high probabily of death for the mother, I would not have an issue with aborting the fetus. I seriously doubt any member on this forum would be in favor of having their wife or daughter risk their own life to deliver a stillborn baby.

God's values???? And where do we find these? Certainly not the bible with its stories of incest, murder, miss treatment of females, genocide, and general disregard for anyone who holds different beliefs. Sure, there are a few good stories here and there, but you have to have a good moral compass already to sort out the good from the bad there.

Andrew

[GeoFisher]

You cant have an argument with a conservaturd.They only have one point of view, and many are too shallow to admit it. get to facts and they throw in the GOD factor, that means to them GODdont make junk. He didn't make "queers" or mongoloid children, birth defects are the cause of liberal sinning.Poor people are not motavated. Natural disasters are "pay back" for sins.

Well, since you implying I'm a conservaTURD....

* I don't have 1 point of view.
* I'm not shallow
* I do believe in God and feel GOD provides value in our society.
* I don't mind "queers". I mind trying to give them special rights.
* Mongoloid children.....I sure hope you are not implying what I THINK you're IMPLYING.
* Birth Defects.....gawd, you are really "touched".
* Poor people.....at least the TAKERS in our society are motivated only by the handout.
* Natural Disasters are just that......disasters.

Man, you really have a skewed view and summation of what I BELIEVE.

Later,

Geo

[GeoFisher]

eo, I think that sums up one of the major differences between liberals and conservatives. A liberal will change their mind in light of new data. A conservative sticks by their original view and will not change no matter what new data is presented. It is not a question of morals, its about having some common sense in recognizing that one is not always right.

Your comment on late term abortion is complete bull. This discussion has come up here in the past and I do not recall any of the "liberal" members on this forum being in favor of late term abortion. The only time that I would see that as an option is in the case of dangers to the mother's health. For example, if it were determined that the fetus would be stillborn and delivering the baby has a high probabily of death for the mother, I would not have an issue with aborting the fetus. I seriously doubt any member on this forum would be in favor of having their wife or daughter risk their own life to deliver a stillborn baby.

God's values???? And where do we find these? Certainly not the bible with its stories of incest, murder, miss treatment of females, genocide, and general disregard for anyone who holds different beliefs. Sure, there are a few good stories here and there, but you have to have a good moral compass already to sort out the good from the bad there.

Andrew

* So you're good with supporting a politician who is completely on board with late term. THAT was the basis of my comment. Obama sponsored this in the senate...I'm not and never could be.

* On another point, I'm pretty clear with were I'm at but will not VOTE for someone I appose based on values. While I voted conservative this year, I did NOT vote for Mourdock in Indiana for Senate based on his foolish comments.

* My values are based up and centered around Christian teachings......Folks are right that there are a crap ton of messages in the old testament, and in some cases the new, that I simply don't agree with. THAT doesn't mean anything except I'm capable of free thought. Am I going to hell for that..I sure hope not.

[kygorski]

Geo, I might be wrong,but I'm pretty sure you started the name calling with libertards a few years ago. You like yo paint with a broad brush, but it irks you when someelse does. I couldn't think of the proper word at the time, its really called downs syndrome. No I dont think you are all the things you said I think about you, and I'm not the person you think I am. I'm a moderate with many views, a few are even conservative.

[RoadToad]

Matthew 5:21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall killshall be in danger of the judgment:

Show me where it says that we can abort babies?

What does this have to do with what I posted?

[Tim_T]

I think that sums up one of the major differences between liberals and conservatives. A liberal will change their mind in light of new data.

That is one statement disagree with all day long. It sounds good until science proves something against what the current trend is. Then most liberals it seems call anyone who disagrees with them "uneducated" or "Ignorant".

[RoadToad]

Man, you really have a skewed view and summation of what I BELIEVE.

Later,

Geo

How's it feel?

[GeoFisher]

Geo, I might be wrong,but I'm pretty sure you started the name calling with libertards a few years ago. You like yo paint with a broad brush, but it irks you when someelse does. I couldn't think of the proper word at the time, its really called downs syndrome. No I dont think you are all the things you said I think about you, and I'm not the person you think I am. I'm a moderate with many views, a few are even conservative.

Doesn't bother me one bit.........I'm a staunch conservative.... but I do have viewpoints that are not completely on that realm.

And I think you're quite a bit left of moderate, but hey that is just me.

[RoadToad]

That is one statement disagree with all day long. It sounds good until science proves something against what the current trend is. Then most liberals it seems call anyone who disagrees with them "uneducated" or "Ignorant".

The problem is that the GOP as a party tends to ignore, and even openly discourage, any advances in science or the teaching thereof. A great example of that is the fact that the Texas GOP wrote this little gem into their 2012 platform (accent mine):

"We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."

They came right out and said it. Challenging a student's fixed beliefs is a bad thing, according to them. That is classic Republicanism, and classic conservativism, rolled into one.

[RoadToad]

* So you're good with supporting a politician who is completely on board with late term.

This illustrates another tendency among conservatives: the refusal, or perhaps it's inability, to see nuance. To them, everything is white and black (and no, I don't mean racially).

Geo, exactly what do you mean by "completely on board with late term?" Do you mean "in support of it any time a woman chooses?" I don't think you'll find a whole lot of people that support that, and I don't think Obama does, either. If you mean "in support of having it as an option when the mother's life is in danger," then yes.

What specifically did Obama sponsor in the Senate that means he's "completely on board with late term?"