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[kygorski]

Banning abortion, cutting intitalments,more prayer in school, banning gay marriage, no taxes, lower tax rates.This is the same old song, with a different melody.
Its still the same old empty bag, but its smaller.When the repulsicans get rid of nordquist, rove, and the koch brothers, maybe some new ideas will emerge. Its the same "old white guy" . Take away rights and call it freedom.

[RoadToad]

Banning same-sex marriage... unless it affects your family, then it's okay. And let's ban abortion, but once those babies are born, they're on their own... forget about helping them eat.

[GeoFisher]

Banning same-sex marriage... unless it affects your family, then it's okay. And let's ban abortion, but once those babies are born, they're on their own... forget about helping them eat.

How about we get back to GOD based values, so those babies are not CREATED in the first place.

You can go round and round on this stuff.

I know you don't agree with the GOD based values, but you must admit, the moral depravity in our society today surely leads to quite a bit of those unwanted babies that are flushed down the toilet.

You should watch one of those late term abortions some day. Once you've witnessed that MURDER, you might change your mind.


Later,

Geo

[mhall]

Save your fingers some work George they don't get it and they never will....It is their loosey goosey anything goes BS that has got us into the trouble we are in now. They don't care about late term abortions because they don't view them as people yet. Morals and values are two words that mean nothing to these guys, leftist don't give a rats ass....

[RoadToad]

How about we get back to GOD based values, so those babies are not CREATED in the first place.

You can go round and round on this stuff.

I know you don't agree with the GOD based values, but you must admit, the moral depravity in our society today surely leads to quite a bit of those unwanted babies that are flushed down the toilet.

You should watch one of those late term abortions some day. Once you've witnessed that MURDER, you might change your mind.


Later,

Geo

I have no problem whatsoever with "God based values," except that for a lot of people, that means hating anybody who worships differrently than they do. The problem I have is with people who want our government to sponsor their religion. I completely agree with the Supreme Court Chief Justice (I think it was Warren) who said there is nothing unconstitutional about promoting a "religious state," it's when there is any hint of a "state religion" that there is an issue.

And please, don't patronize me with "once you've seen what I've seen, you'll change your mind." And just what do you mean, anyway? If I watch one, I might convert to Christianity? And what have I EVER posted that gave you any reason to think I support late-term abortions? NOTHING.

[GeoFisher]

And please, don't patronize me with "once you've seen what I've seen, you'll change your mind." And just what do you mean, anyway? If I watch one, I might convert to Christianity? And what have I EVER posted that gave you any reason to think I support late-term abortions? NOTHING.

Well, I could NEVER support a politician that SUPPORTED late term abortion, and the current crop of Lefties love abortive rights.....ALL of them, including the Obamunist in chief.

I'm not patronizing you....I'm simply making a point..........and no I don't think anything could convert a dedicated NON believer...

Later,

Geo

[RoadToad]

Well, I could NEVER support a politician that SUPPORTED late term abortion, and the current crop of Lefties love abortive rights.....ALL of them, including the Obamunist in chief.

I'm not patronizing you....I'm simply making a point..........and no I don't think anything could convert a dedicated NON believer...

Later,

Geo

You're STILL putting words in my mouth! I have NEVER said or IMPLIED I was a "dedicated NON believer." The few times I've posted about my personal beliefs, I've tried to make it clear that I don't presume to know the truth (and no, I'd rather not get into a theological discussion just now).

And whether you choose to believe it or not, you can be in favor of reproductive rights without supporting late term abortion.

[kygorski]

You cant have an argument with a conservaturd.They only have one point of view, and many are too shallow to admit it. get to facts and they throw in the GOD factor, that means to them GODdont make junk. He didn't make "queers" or mongoloid children, birth defects are the cause of liberal sinning.Poor people are not motavated. Natural disasters are "pay back" for sins.

[greenriverman1]

You cant have an argument with a conservaturd.They only have one point of view, and many are too shallow to admit it. get to facts and they throw in the GOD factor, that means to them GODdont make junk. He didn't make "queers" or mongoloid children, birth defects are the cause of liberal sinning.Poor people are not motavated. Natural disasters are "pay back" for sins.

God is the main factor.
mongoloid? Where did mongoloid come from? God created us all.
Abortion kills part of god"s creation.

God gave us a book of laws to follow. Who am I to say God was wrong and we should abort children?

[apb]

eo, I think that sums up one of the major differences between liberals and conservatives. A liberal will change their mind in light of new data. A conservative sticks by their original view and will not change no matter what new data is presented. It is not a question of morals, its about having some common sense in recognizing that one is not always right.

Your comment on late term abortion is complete bull. This discussion has come up here in the past and I do not recall any of the "liberal" members on this forum being in favor of late term abortion. The only time that I would see that as an option is in the case of dangers to the mother's health. For example, if it were determined that the fetus would be stillborn and delivering the baby has a high probabily of death for the mother, I would not have an issue with aborting the fetus. I seriously doubt any member on this forum would be in favor of having their wife or daughter risk their own life to deliver a stillborn baby.

God's values???? And where do we find these? Certainly not the bible with its stories of incest, murder, miss treatment of females, genocide, and general disregard for anyone who holds different beliefs. Sure, there are a few good stories here and there, but you have to have a good moral compass already to sort out the good from the bad there.

Andrew

[GeoFisher]

eo, I think that sums up one of the major differences between liberals and conservatives. A liberal will change their mind in light of new data. A conservative sticks by their original view and will not change no matter what new data is presented. It is not a question of morals, its about having some common sense in recognizing that one is not always right.

Your comment on late term abortion is complete bull. This discussion has come up here in the past and I do not recall any of the "liberal" members on this forum being in favor of late term abortion. The only time that I would see that as an option is in the case of dangers to the mother's health. For example, if it were determined that the fetus would be stillborn and delivering the baby has a high probabily of death for the mother, I would not have an issue with aborting the fetus. I seriously doubt any member on this forum would be in favor of having their wife or daughter risk their own life to deliver a stillborn baby.

God's values???? And where do we find these? Certainly not the bible with its stories of incest, murder, miss treatment of females, genocide, and general disregard for anyone who holds different beliefs. Sure, there are a few good stories here and there, but you have to have a good moral compass already to sort out the good from the bad there.

Andrew

* So you're good with supporting a politician who is completely on board with late term. THAT was the basis of my comment. Obama sponsored this in the senate...I'm not and never could be.

* On another point, I'm pretty clear with were I'm at but will not VOTE for someone I appose based on values. While I voted conservative this year, I did NOT vote for Mourdock in Indiana for Senate based on his foolish comments.

* My values are based up and centered around Christian teachings......Folks are right that there are a crap ton of messages in the old testament, and in some cases the new, that I simply don't agree with. THAT doesn't mean anything except I'm capable of free thought. Am I going to hell for that..I sure hope not.

[kygorski]

Geo, I might be wrong,but I'm pretty sure you started the name calling with libertards a few years ago. You like yo paint with a broad brush, but it irks you when someelse does. I couldn't think of the proper word at the time, its really called downs syndrome. No I dont think you are all the things you said I think about you, and I'm not the person you think I am. I'm a moderate with many views, a few are even conservative.