What Causes Terrorism

[apb]

Interesting link jcb. Agree with Bob on this. As much as all of us would like to enact revenage on terrorists, it won't help us in the long run. It basically would mean changing our views to that of the terrorists. Why would we wish to emulate those who we despise? We are better than that. Much better to take the high road and maintain who we are. If we stoop to the level of the terrorist then they have won, we are them.
Andrew

[mhall]

Man I like the way you think!!!!

I like the way he thinks to...

[mhall]

Interesting link jcb. Agree with Bob on this. As much as all of us would like to enact revenage on terrorists, it won't help us in the long run. It basically would mean changing our views to that of the terrorists. Why would we wish to emulate those who we despise? We are better than that. Much better to take the high road and maintain who we are. If we stoop to the level of the terrorist then they have won, we are them.
Andrew

I think extracting valuable information trumps that. If torturing this piece of garbage into getting intel to save more REAL American lives then by all means do it. To Hell with that guy he is a murdering piece of trash, get what we need out of him and then kill his useless ass. This is what these heathens understand, they don't understand all this feel good crap...

[kygorski]

While watching him strangle from a bungee hanging,it will only pass a few hours at most. Remove all his teeth, let him spend the rest of his life taking clarinet lessons

[GeoFisher]

Very interesting article. I would have liked to read more about what the author thinks are the multiple causes at play, and how he sees them interacting.

If you get lost reading it, I think this segment provides the gist of what he's saying:

"Others may jump to claiming that Islam per se was the cause, which does not make sense because there are over a billion Muslims in the world who neither carry out nor even support terrorism.

We must get beyond inaccurate causal over-simplification and consider the phenomenon of terrorism as a complex interplay of multiple factors."


I've seen the phrase "Radical Islam" thrown around a lot on the board lately, as if there two religions, Islam and Radical Islam. This author would seem to support what I've said all along, that there is no such thing as "Radical Islam," only radical Muslims. Yes, they use their religion to justify their radical views, but the blame for that does not lie with the religion itself.

I think for someone to become radicalized there needs to be a catalyst besides Islam. In most cases, the catalyst is poverty. Think about it. LOTS and LOTS of radicalized Muslims don't have a pot to piss in. They start to form a bond around the only stabilizing factor they know. HATE for the WEST.

Gangland violence in the inner city is very similar.

But poverty isn't always the catalyst. Sometimes simply being a loner and someone who can be indoctrinated is enough. I think the younger brother here simply fell into the indoctrination that his older brother was doing.

Bottom line......it is evil, and EVIL spawns HATE, and Hate spawns violence.........SAD, but that is our world.

[MrSplitshot]

Let's back up the bus here a bit.

Best way to describe terrorism is: It's a form of pyschological warfare waged by an adversary who does not have the resources to attempt to fight and win with conventional warfare methods. It's aim is not centered on war of attrition goals, instead, it is aimed to remove the will to resist from an enemy that may have overwelming military and economic might.

And one of the first objectives is to cause an otherwise civilized, and judicious society to abandon it's values. Such as when a country having experienced a terrorist attack, that believes in law and order, that suddenly stoops to torture, or withholding of the very rights they say they have fought previously to preserve. When that happens, a victory for the terrorist occurs, because he has overwhelmed the values, ethics, and morales of the enemy he seeks to prove is falable.

The best course is to stay the course. It is what it is. Demonstrate what American justice is meant to be. Continue undanuted. Persevere, with vigilance, awareness, and adapt and overcome.

While personally I'd love to smack this guy in the mouth for what he did, I'm not going to sacrifice everything my fellow countymen have strived and died for that has brought us to where we are today. I'm not going to let my selfish desire for revenge unravel a tradition of doing it right. These folks were US citizens. They thru that citizenship have earned the benefits, full benefits, of our judicial system, and our penal system. And I suspect the remaining young man will be fully benefited by the time the final gavel is stuck.

And that's about as somber and level headed as you're ever going to hear me. When I think of the 8 year old kid, standing beside a back-pack bomb, I tear up with a rage that rocks me to the bone. But I'm not going to dishonor that young person's memory by doing anything less than what is just.

Well said.

[parker]

I think extracting valuable information trumps that. If torturing this piece of garbage into getting intel to save more REAL American lives then by all means do it. To Hell with that guy he is a murdering piece of trash, get what we need out of him and then kill his useless ass. This is what these heathens understand, they don't understand all this feel good crap...

A whole bunch of men have died to insure this does not happen.

[parker]

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The city of Los Angeles reached a $4.2 million settlement with two women who were injured when police mistakenly opened fire on them during the manhunt for disgruntled ex-cop Christopher Dorner, an official said Tuesday.
City Attorney Carmen Trutanich announced the sum to KNBC-TV Los Angeles, and an attorney representing the women confirmed the amount to The Associated Press.
The settlement must still be approved by the Los Angeles City Council.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother, Emma Hernandez, were delivering papers around 5 a.m. on Feb. 7 when LAPD officers guarding the Torrance home of a target named in an online Dorner manifesto blasted at least 100 rounds at their pickup.
Hernandez was shot in the back and Carranza had minor injuries.
The settlement means they cannot pursue any future injury claims against the city.
Dorner had vowed warfare on Los Angeles Police Department officers and their families for what he called an unfair firing.
He killed four people, including two law enforcement officers, during his nearly one-week run from authorities.
Attorney Glen Jonas, who represents the women, called the settlement amount fair and said it spared the city from defending a case that involved eight police officers and would have likely cost millions of dollars.
"The only certainty was the litigation was going to cost everyone a lot of money and a lot of time," Jonas said.
Jonas sent a nine-page demand to the city more than a month ago that provided an opening to negotiations. He said he negotiated with Trutanich for weeks before the deal was reached on Monday night.
"We're two veteran trial lawyers trying to settle a case, and we both understand the reality of litigation and what it costs to both sides," Jonas said.
The women agreed to receive the payment after June 30 — the end of the fiscal year — to help the city with its budgeting. The agreement came in addition to a separate $40,000 settlement reached earlier for the loss of the women's pickup truck.
"For them, the money is not the issue as much as (the city) just doing the right thing," Jonas said. "Everyone agreed that they were wronged, but we didn't know whether responsibility would be assumed ... It's pleasant to get that done without having to go through years of litigation."
The eight officers remain assigned to non-field duties pending an internal investigation

Here is an excelent example why not to pass judgement.

[GeoFisher]

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The city of Los Angeles reached a $4.2 million settlement with two women who were injured when police mistakenly opened fire on them during the manhunt for disgruntled ex-cop Christopher Dorner, an official said Tuesday.
City Attorney Carmen Trutanich announced the sum to KNBC-TV Los Angeles, and an attorney representing the women confirmed the amount to The Associated Press.
The settlement must still be approved by the Los Angeles City Council.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother, Emma Hernandez, were delivering papers around 5 a.m. on Feb. 7 when LAPD officers guarding the Torrance home of a target named in an online Dorner manifesto blasted at least 100 rounds at their pickup.
Hernandez was shot in the back and Carranza had minor injuries.
The settlement means they cannot pursue any future injury claims against the city.
Dorner had vowed warfare on Los Angeles Police Department officers and their families for what he called an unfair firing.
He killed four people, including two law enforcement officers, during his nearly one-week run from authorities.
Attorney Glen Jonas, who represents the women, called the settlement amount fair and said it spared the city from defending a case that involved eight police officers and would have likely cost millions of dollars.
"The only certainty was the litigation was going to cost everyone a lot of money and a lot of time," Jonas said.
Jonas sent a nine-page demand to the city more than a month ago that provided an opening to negotiations. He said he negotiated with Trutanich for weeks before the deal was reached on Monday night.
"We're two veteran trial lawyers trying to settle a case, and we both understand the reality of litigation and what it costs to both sides," Jonas said.
The women agreed to receive the payment after June 30 — the end of the fiscal year — to help the city with its budgeting. The agreement came in addition to a separate $40,000 settlement reached earlier for the loss of the women's pickup truck.
"For them, the money is not the issue as much as (the city) just doing the right thing," Jonas said. "Everyone agreed that they were wronged, but we didn't know whether responsibility would be assumed ... It's pleasant to get that done without having to go through years of litigation."
The eight officers remain assigned to non-field duties pending an internal investigation

Here is an excelent example why not to pass judgement.

You are COMPLETELY off base with your pass judgement statement.

This post has nothing to do with passing judgement. It has everything to do with not CORRECTLY identifying who was in the vehicle. NOTHING ELSE.

These police officers were no different than the idiot in the woods with a 30-06 shooting at a flash of white because he thought he saw a solid 10 pt buck, yet all he really saw was a flash of white. That white could have been all kinds of stuff, including the teenager ducking behind the bushes in a tee-shirt.

Your example of passing judgement is way off base.

Later,

Geo

[parker]

You are COMPLETELY off base with your pass judgement statement.

This post has nothing to do with passing judgement. It has everything to do with not CORRECTLY identifying who was in the vehicle. NOTHING ELSE.

These police officers were no different than the idiot in the woods with a 30-06 shooting at a flash of white because he thought he saw a solid 10 pt buck, yet all he really saw was a flash of white. That white could have been all kinds of stuff, including the teenager ducking behind the bushes in a tee-shirt.

Your example of passing judgement is way off base.

Later,

Geo

I dont think so. They wanted to be the hero and render their own judgement! Why shoot at a truck with 2 women in it who did nothing wrong? I dont understand why they are not fired.
A cop should understand what he is shooting at versus a deer hunter with absolutely no training other than past editions of Field and Stream. Guess them cops took a brush shot huh?

[psprowler]

I'm going to pass a little judgment from this statement.............

"For them, the money is not the issue as much as (the city) just doing the right thing,"

What's a 71 year old going to do with her half of 4.2 million?

[RoadToad]

I think for someone to become radicalized there needs to be a catalyst besides Islam. In most cases, the catalyst is poverty. Think about it. LOTS and LOTS of radicalized Muslims don't have a pot to piss in. They start to form a bond around the only stabilizing factor they know. HATE for the WEST.

Gangland violence in the inner city is very similar.

But poverty isn't always the catalyst. Sometimes simply being a loner and someone who can be indoctrinated is enough. I think the younger brother here simply fell into the indoctrination that his older brother was doing.

Bottom line......it is evil, and EVIL spawns HATE, and Hate spawns violence.........SAD, but that is our world.

Wow... there has been a rift in the spacetime continuum... 'cuz I agree with this completely.

Oh, and BTW, my post about "no such thing as radical Islam" wasn't very well thought-out. What is being preached in some mosques IS a radicalized form of Islam. But I believe that to be a bastardized version, not the true faith.