What Causes Terrorism

[Devils Horse]

Some pretty noble sentiments expressed in this thread. Problem with taking the high road is we will eventually lose. Radical Muslims use our own system and attitude against us to kill and maim innocent people. They will continue to do that...particularly if we go out of our way to make it easy for them.

Holder's office sent a judge in yesterday to interrupt the FBI's questioning of the Boston bomber so they could read him his Miranda rights. What did he do then? He shut up till he can get lawyered up. No more info on where they got the money to finance their terror, no more info on who taught them to make the bombs, no more info on whether anyone else is involved, no more info period.

Yep, the scumbag's rights are protected, but what about the next kid who gets blown to bits? What about the next Americans who get their legs blown off? What about their rights? We should go out of our way to protect a bomber's supposed rights while sacrificing innocent lives, is that what you're telling me? Well if that's the moral high road, no **** thanks. You take it, I'll pass.

Exactly WTF is wrong with you people? When a person detonates a bomb in crowd of innocent people, they have committed an act of war and are no longer are a citizen. No? Well if bombing a crowd of unarmed people isn't an act of war exactly what is?

Radical Islam openly declares war on this country thousands of times a day all over the world. They are busy teaching people to hate and kill while we go out of our way to embrace them. American pseudo-intellectuals tell us how much loftier we are than the radical killers. They explain to we neanderthals how we can't stoop to their level, can't show the slightest lack of tolerance for their bigoted, murdering, backward ass way of life.

A virtually endless dosage of defeatist liberal drivel is spoon fed to Americans by the media and the idiotic administration in power right now, then that nauseating load of BS gets parroted by people on the internet. Meanwhile Islam sinks roots deeper into American soil.

Take the bomber to Gitmo and milk his ass for every shred of info you can get, intelligence information is key to winning a war. Wish all you want, talk all you want, but the FACT is a large segment of Islam is at war to the death with us. No matter how deep you stick your head in the sand the fact remains.

Those who believe we should afford the rights of our legal system to terrorists better brush up on the Koran, because eventually that's what you'll be living by.

[apb]

DH,

When I state that I do not want to emulate terrorists or sink to their level, I mean that I do not want to run around cutting heads off and enacting revenge in a knee-jerk reaction that some on this forum suggest. That is not how we do things. I agree that setting off a bomb in a crowd of civilians is an act of war. I have no problem with the cowards who did this being milked for any and all intel, and then being locked away in solitary confinement for the rest of their miserable lives. The scumbag lost his rights the moment that the bomb went off. Believe I indicated either here or another thread that I would prefer we capture the last guy alive so we could find out more on how they got materials, who else might be involved, and what other risks are still out there.

At the same time, we don't want to alienate those Muslims who are peaceful and are also disgusted by the cowardly acts that some in their religion commit. That winning hearts and minds stuff that Bush talked about (agree with him on this one). We can only keep radicals at bay through military action. To actually win means changing attitudes. They have to understand that we will tolerate them if they tolerate us. Conversely, if they f with us, the gloves come off.

Andrew

[Moveon]

Good summary. I must admit that I didn't read the entire thing but I did get the gist of the article and know why he published it. I didn't get a headache but I did get tired. But I was tired before I started reading the article. I do think that he is onto something.

Very interesting article. I would have liked to read more about what the author thinks are the multiple causes at play, and how he sees them interacting.

If you get lost reading it, I think this segment provides the gist of what he's saying:

"Others may jump to claiming that Islam per se was the cause, which does not make sense because there are over a billion Muslims in the world who neither carry out nor even support terrorism.

We must get beyond inaccurate causal over-simplification and consider the phenomenon of terrorism as a complex interplay of multiple factors."


I've seen the phrase "Radical Islam" thrown around a lot on the board lately, as if there two religions, Islam and Radical Islam. This author would seem to support what I've said all along, that there is no such thing as "Radical Islam," only radical Muslims. Yes, they use their religion to justify their radical views, but the blame for that does not lie with the religion itself.

[Moveon]

You ask a very good question about what is an act of war.

During WWII we didn't declare war on Germany even though the German U Boats were sinking our ships right off the shoreline of Jersey City. I don't know how many merchant ships were sunk by the German Navy before Pearl Harbor. But we didn't declare war on Germany until after Pearl Harbor. We declared war on Japan right after Pearl and a few days later War was declared on the USA by Germany and Japan. Well Hell Japan had already declared war on us as their air planes were on the way to bomb and torpedo Pearl Harbor.

I'm not sure what started the Korea War.

The War in Vietnam was due to the US ships reporting that they were fired upon in the Gulf of Tonkin SP?

The war in Kuwait was caused by Saddam sending his army and tanks into Kuwait and we were told that they were taking babies out of the incubators and stealing the incubators and taking them back to Iraq.



To me 911 was an act of war. And I see your point about killing enemy soldiers. I do remember that during WWII soldiers that were caught out of uniform were treated as spies and were not always accorded the rights of the Geneva Convention. Are the modem day terrorists really part of an Army or Navy Force? I'm not sure on that.

The thing is we can treat them as a US Citizen and still get Justice if they get the Death Penalty. Right now I'm of the opinion that the Watertown Police actually tried to Execute the younger suspect while he was hiding in the boat in the back yard. I say that based on the news media report the other day that showed the police claming that they didn't find any weapon on the suspect in the boat. If he didn't have any weapons then how did he manage to fire at the police as they stated? We know for a fact that the police fired at him while he was in the boat. The boat is full of bullet holes. We can't deny that fact.

Perhaps the suspect was wounded in the first police shoot out. I read that the wound to his neck was not caused by a single bullet but rather a piece of shrapnel. Perhaps he was hit when his bombs went off in the first police shoot out where his older brother was killed. Ironic that the younger brother ran over and probably killed his brother in the street.

Bottom line is that we got them both and they won't kill anyone again. How we execute them in the long run is up to the courts.

Some pretty noble sentiments expressed in this thread. Problem with taking the high road is we will eventually lose. Radical Muslims use our own system and attitude against us to kill and maim innocent people. They will continue to do that...particularly if we go out of our way to make it easy for them.

Holder's office sent a judge in yesterday to interrupt the FBI's questioning of the Boston bomber so they could read him his Miranda rights. What did he do then? He shut up till he can get lawyered up. No more info on where they got the money to finance their terror, no more info on who taught them to make the bombs, no more info on whether anyone else is involved, no more info period.

Yep, the scumbag's rights are protected, but what about the next kid who gets blown to bits? What about the next Americans who get their legs blown off? What about their rights? We should go out of our way to protect a bomber's supposed rights while sacrificing innocent lives, is that what you're telling me? Well if that's the moral high road, no **** thanks. You take it, I'll pass.

Exactly WTF is wrong with you people? When a person detonates a bomb in crowd of innocent people, they have committed an act of war and are no longer are a citizen. No? Well if bombing a crowd of unarmed people isn't an act of war exactly what is?

Radical Islam openly declares war on this country thousands of times a day all over the world. They are busy teaching people to hate and kill while we go out of our way to embrace them. American pseudo-intellectuals tell us how much loftier we are than the radical killers. They explain to we neanderthals how we can't stoop to their level, can't show the slightest lack of tolerance for their bigoted, murdering, backward ass way of life.

A virtually endless dosage of defeatist liberal drivel is spoon fed to Americans by the media and the idiotic administration in power right now, then that nauseating load of BS gets parroted by people on the internet. Meanwhile Islam sinks roots deeper into American soil.

Take the bomber to Gitmo and milk his ass for every shred of info you can get, intelligence information is key to winning a war. Wish all you want, talk all you want, but the FACT is a large segment of Islam is at war to the death with us. No matter how deep you stick your head in the sand the fact remains.

Those who believe we should afford the rights of our legal system to terrorists better brush up on the Koran, because eventually that's what you'll be living by.

[Devils Horse]

DH,

When I state that I do not want to emulate terrorists or sink to their level, I mean that I do not want to run around cutting heads off and enacting revenge in a knee-jerk reaction that some on this forum suggest. That is not how we do things. I agree that setting off a bomb in a crowd of civilians is an act of war. I have no problem with the cowards who did this being milked for any and all intel, and then being locked away in solitary confinement for the rest of their miserable lives. The scumbag lost his rights the moment that the bomb went off. Believe I indicated either here or another thread that I would prefer we capture the last guy alive so we could find out more on how they got materials, who else might be involved, and what other risks are still out there.

At the same time, we don't want to alienate those Muslims who are peaceful and are also disgusted by the cowardly acts that some in their religion commit. That winning hearts and minds stuff that Bush talked about (agree with him on this one). We can only keep radicals at bay through military action. To actually win means changing attitudes. They have to understand that we will tolerate them if they tolerate us. Conversely, if they f with us, the gloves come off.

Andrew

Didn't mean to single you out, just scanned this thread and was amazed at the tone many were taking. Being nicer or more tolerant is not going to help with these people. They already understand we are tolerant, that's what they are taking advantage of. And they already f'd with us many times, as well most other countries on the planet earth.

Right now there are about 15,000 people from Muslim countries who came here under student visas and have not showed up at any university. Nobody knows where they are. What do you suppose a 'few' of them are up to? Even some prominent liberals are wondering about the answer to that question.

Islam has a huge following and only a small percentage are killers in the name of their religion. But that small percentage adds up to hundreds of thousands if not millions, far more than enough to have specifically targeted innocent non combatants for terror campaigns everywhere. The Islamic religion has been spawning over 90% of the world's violent terrorists since the 1960's, and no amount of political correctness changes that fact.

The Obama administration's reticence to even call terrorists terrorists is infuriating. According to the clowns we have in power right now, the hairbag at Ft. Bragg who shouted Allah Akbar before starting his killing spree committed 'workplace violence' instead of religious inspired terrorism. Also his Attorney General's office interrupted and effectively ended the Boston Bomber's questioning. Good grief, how are we supposed to win with that kind of leadership?

[parker]

Good grief, how are we supposed to win with that kind of leadership?


We have already won, thats why they hate us so much.

[HURRICANEBOB]

Good grief, how are we supposed to win with that kind of leadership?


We have already won, thats why they hate us so much.

Yo P, me do agree. It's like picking bugs off the grill of your new truck. They don't slow down the truck, and only the owner can decide how much of a nuisance they really are.

Yo would-be terrorists. If dying for your cause is your goal, I applaud your dedication. How about calling it in to a TV station, then showing us how well you tread water below McAlpine at flood stage. C-mon T-babies. make a statement.

[HURRICANEBOB]

Ya know what? We want to be safer? Lets crack down on drunk drivers, and gun toting drug abusers. They kill more each year than terrorists, or radicals do.

PS: That don't mean we do less with the the "outsiders". Access the total threats to life and react accordingly.

[parker]

Ya know what? We want to be safer? Lets crack down on drunk drivers, and gun toting drug abusers. They kill more each year than terrorists, or radicals do.

PS: That don't mean we do less with the the "outsiders". Access the total threats to life and react accordingly.

Exactly!

[Devils Horse]

Good grief, how are we supposed to win with that kind of leadership?


We have already won, thats why they hate us so much.

Tell the families in Boston how we've already won. See what they say about that.

[Devils Horse]

Yo P, me do agree. It's like picking bugs off the grill of your new truck. They don't slow down the truck, and only the owner can decide how much of a nuisance they really are.

Yo would-be terrorists. If dying for your cause is your goal, I applaud your dedication. How about calling it in to a TV station, then showing us how well you tread water below McAlpine at flood stage. C-mon T-babies. make a statement.

Mere bugs on the truck grill huh? Me couldn't disagree more.

[Devils Horse]

Ya know what? We want to be safer? Lets crack down on drunk drivers, and gun toting drug abusers. They kill more each year than terrorists, or radicals do.

PS: That don't mean we do less with the the "outsiders". Access the total threats to life and react accordingly.

That has nothing to to do with the subject at hand.

How many drunk drivers or gun toting drug abusers have you seen intentionally blowing up innocent people? How many times have you missed a flight because the security lines were choked up while they looked for drunk drivers or gun toting drug abusers?