More scientific research for you guys to ignore

[jcb]

I heard this story today on the radio and thought it was interesting.





Here is a link to the entire story

http://www.npr.org/2013/08/22/213894...climate-change

That pretty much sums up my stance. Personally I think the reason there is such a broad consensus on something so complicated is that research nowadays is, perhaps more than ever, driven by funding and political issues.

[DJD]

That pretty much sums up my stance. Personally I think the reason there is such a broad consensus on something so complicated is that research nowadays is, perhaps more than ever, driven by funding and political issues.

Yep!! 100% how I see it. When we all see how corrupt our so called leaders and system is we....are supposed to put that aside and believe this? I just don't have that kind of blind faith.

[kygorski]

No one makes fact of the population explosion in the last century.There is cause and effect in all our actions. Give it some thought. 150 years ago there were maybe a million carbon based fuel engines in the world.Today there are twice that number or more in America ,who knows the global number.The planet has not grown or shrunk significantly in eons.Natural and human actions are causing things we can not fathom.But there is a bright side to this, we die!

[Moveon]

No one makes fact of the population explosion in the last century.There is cause and effect in all our actions. Give it some thought. 150 years ago there were maybe a million carbon based fuel engines in the world.Today there are twice that number or more in America ,who knows the global number.The planet has not grown or shrunk significantly in eons.Natural and human actions are causing things we can not fathom.But there is a bright side to this, we die!

You are absolutely right about the Human Population Growth being the root cause of a lot of our own problems. And you are right about mother nature being the final arbitrator of this. We may pollute our shelves to death or have mass starvations due to hunger and disease.

The earth only has a limited carrying capacity and that varies in different places though out the world.

It's impossible to think that man's activities is not having an impact on our plant. How much of an impact is debatable but an impact non the less.

What many don't really comprehend is that even a small change in the Average Global Temperature of the Earth can have a huge impact on certain areas of the planet. I think that super storms Sandy and Katrina were just small examples of what could come in the future with a warmer Earth.

Warming of the Ocean's by just a few degrees can change ocean currents which can have a huge impact on certain parts of the Globe.

We do know that the amount of Carbon Dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere has changed over time. We can extract ice cores from glacier that have been around for over thousands of years and measure the amount of CO2 that's frozen in the different layers of the ice. That tells us that the lower (older) layers of the ice have less CO2 in them. We do know that increasing levels of CO2 makes it harder for heat to leave the earth's atmosphere.

I really have no dog in this fight, I'll be dead long before this all really starts to affect me and I don't have any kids to worry about in the future. I'm just saying!

[bassin_bug]

Actually I believe both those things. But I am not convinced as to what the level of man-made influence is.

One reason is this: the Earth warmed from 1978 to 1998. Existing computer models couldn't reproduce the warming trend using the existing variables in the models for natural forces. So, the conclusion was made by the IPCC that the warming was man-made.

But when those same models failed to anticipate the lack of warming over the past decade or so, the IPCC admitted that their models failed to account for the fluctuations in natural forces.

In other words, if it warms, we have the models right and man is the cause. If it doesn't warm, we don't have the models right.

Just not reliable enough to me.

Nobody ever mentions about biblical droughts and floods; remember Elijah prayed for rain, Noah built an ark in preparation for the flood. Obviously these climate changes have been occuring for thousands/millions of years. There were even earthquakes during those times, also. It doesn't take a scientist to realize that the weather is hot in summer and cold in winter. Some years there are droughts and some years there is too much rain. Always has been, always will be, and nobody can change it.

[jcb]

Actually I believe both those things. But I am not convinced as to what the level of man-made influence is.

One reason is this: the Earth warmed from 1978 to 1998. Existing computer models couldn't reproduce the warming trend using the existing variables in the models for natural forces. So, the conclusion was made by the IPCC that the warming was man-made.

But when those same models failed to anticipate the lack of warming over the past decade or so, the IPCC admitted that their models failed to account for the fluctuations in natural forces.

In other words, if it warms, we have the models right and man is the cause. If it doesn't warm, we don't have the models right.

Just not reliable enough to me.

Having said all that--I think we should all make our energy choices as if all the climate change alarmists are correct. Shouldn't we all take care of the environment, conserve energy, waste less, make choices that have as minimal impact as possible on the Earth? As a Christian, I view that philosophy as a responsibility given to us by God as we serve as stewards of Creation.

Where I part ways with the prevailing thought is that I think they should be our choices to make. When it comes to government mandates, we already have lost enough of our freedoms here in the U.S., and no one will ever convince me that the science, or at the very least the conclusions drawn from the science, aren't driven by politics and a feeding frenzy for grant funding.

[RoadToad]

The Inuits have been living above the Arctic Circle for thousands of years, and their elders are quite concerned. They say it's never been this bad in all their history. But I guess they're a bunch of liars, too.

Just because an a-hole like Al Gore says it's true doesn't mean it's not.

[jcb]

The Inuits have been living above the Arctic Circle for thousands of years, and their elders are quite concerned. They say it's never been this bad in all their history. But I guess they're a bunch of liars, too.

Just because an a-hole like Al Gore says it's true doesn't mean it's not.

That's true, but again the question is causality. Gore and other alarmists have done their cause a disservice by their constant exaggerations of the science. Like the glaciers in the Himalayas disappearing by 2035 etc.

[GeoFisher]

The Inuits have been living above the Arctic Circle for thousands of years, and their elders are quite concerned. They say it's never been this bad in all their history. But I guess they're a bunch of liars, too.

Just because an a-hole like Al Gore says it's true doesn't mean it's not.

And for decades during the middle ages, Middle Europe was a bastion of grain production, yet today the climate does not allow for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

Which was then followed by a cooler period sometimes called a "mini" ice age.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

And lets not forget that Vikings coming across the Atlantic way before columbus found fields filled with Grapes......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland

This is more than enough to make me think we're a bunch of ARROGANT Jack-Booted MORONS to think we know jack SQUAT about what the climate is really doing, and to spend Multiple TRILLIONS of dollars saving us from certain doom is just as ARROGANT.

JUNK SCIENCE my friends.........JUNK SCIENCE. For centuries folks though the world was flat. Good THING someone not using the "science" of the day, proved them WRONG.

Later,

Geo

[SteveM4A1]

JUNK SCIENCE my friends.........JUNK SCIENCE. For centuries folks though the world was flat. Good THING someone not using the "science" of the day, proved them WRONG.

Later,

Geo

Haha really? Apples to oranges bud. Science didn't say the earth was flat; science proved it wasn't. Scholars knew it wasn't flat, but the general public thought otherwise. I don't really know where you were coming at with that, but the rest wasn't bad.

[RoadToad]

"Junk science" that is accepted by 97% of the climate scientists in the world.

The following comes from NASA: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus


Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES


Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2



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American Association for the Advancement of Science

"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3



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American Chemical Society

"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4



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American Geophysical Union

"The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system — including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons — are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007)5



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American Medical Association

"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6



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American Meteorological Society

"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7



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American Physical Society

"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8



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The Geological Society of America

"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9





SCIENCE ACADEMIES


International academies: Joint statement

"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10



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U.S. National Academy of Sciences

"The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)11





U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES



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U.S. Global Change Research Program

"The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human 'fingerprints' also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system, including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric moisture, and Arctic sea ice." (2009, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12





INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES


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Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

“Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.”13

“Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely* due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”14

*IPCC defines ‘very likely’ as greater than 90 percent probability of occurrence.


OTHER RESOURCES



List of worldwide scientific organizations

The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.
http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php



U.S. agencies

The following page contains information on what federal agencies are doing to adapt to climate change.
http://www.c2es.org/docUploads/feder...adaptation.pdf



But to hell with all of them.... you guys know better than they do!

[HURRICANEBOB]

I left the window open with the fireplace going a couple years back......I bet that did it.

Wait.....I know what did it. Somebody started selling those tear open and shake hand warms and all of a sudden people started to use them while fishing and hunting and .....presto......ICE CAP SLUSH SYNDROME.

We must stop this right now.

Turn on your home A/C, wide open, and get those windows open! Lets get back to sleet and snow in July!

Dam.....I wish I had something more important to worry about. Hey.....Do you think 3 toed frogs have a hard time eating corn on the cob?

Do Canadian Geese ever get goosed?