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    I have a hard time believing it exists. The information has been corrupt for so many years that now when it comes out I laugh at how I am supposed to believe it this time. The fact that this was changed from Global Warming to Climate Change says everything to me. IMO.....the term Global Warming wasn't just mentioned one day during a speech....it was discussed, agreed upon and deemed to be the term to carry this information forward and save the earth...along with billions of dollars to support anyone who wants to climb aboard. Once the data was finding opposition they (supporters, scientists, beneficiaries) couldn't take the hit on their beloved ideals so they changed it to something that cannot be disputed....Climate Change. It has become so political that it has to be corrupt!!! We all know how easy it is for political figures to support something if it means money to their supporters.

    Do I believe in climate change? Yes happens all the time. Four seasons....Warm days in winter cool days in the summer. Cooooold winters and warm winters....hoooot summers and not so hot summers. Droughts, floods......This has been going on for as long as I can remember. So we have had Global Warming since I was in Elementary school? Earlier than that??? Haven't we had odd winter storms or dry spells back in the 1800's, 20's, 30's etc.....wonder what caused that??? Flatulence?

    Change it back to Global Warming and keep trying to prove that it's real and maybe I will start to actually accept this as fact because when they keep changing their approach, politicians getting involved and facts come out showing bogus data I cannot believe 100% of what they say.

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    Al Gore wouldn't lie to us would he??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyme2fish View Post
    Al Gore wouldn't lie to us would he??
    Nope. He believed in it so much, that he had an energy efficient house to the tune of $30,000 in utility bills!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyme2fish View Post
    Al Gore wouldn't lie to us would he??
    Al Gore has made Billions.......multiple Billions pushing this ****.

    He is a fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyme2fish View Post
    Al Gore wouldn't lie to us would he??
    was Al the one that lied, and they showed his face over and over on TV, saying READ MY LIPS or was that Obama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterdog101 View Post
    was Al the one that lied, and they showed his face over and over on TV, saying READ MY LIPS or was that Obama?
    Obama.

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    Obama. The best way to tell if he is lying is if his mouth is moving.

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    I heard this story today on the radio and thought it was interesting.

    Curry certainly has the credentials. She is a professor and chairwoman of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. She also runs a side business as a private weather forecaster. But she doesn't deny the basic principles of climate change.

    "If all other things remain equal, it's clear that adding more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere will warm the planet," she told the committee.

    But, she went on, not all things are equal. She says there's so much uncertainty about the role of natural variation in the climate that she doesn't know what's going to happen. She says a catastrophe is possible, but warming could also turn out to be not such a big deal.

    And she focuses on uncertainties and unknown unknowns far more than on the consensus of climate scientists, who say we know enough to be deeply worried.

    "I've been trying to understand how there can be such a strong consensus, given these uncertainties," she told the committee.

    Her message that day on Capitol Hill was, in essence, that while humans may be contributing to climate change, we simply don't know how the climate will behave in the coming decades, so there may be no point in trying to reduce emissions.


    Here is a link to the entire story

    http://www.npr.org/2013/08/22/213894...climate-change

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLP View Post
    I heard this story today on the radio and thought it was interesting.





    Here is a link to the entire story

    http://www.npr.org/2013/08/22/213894...climate-change
    That pretty much sums up my stance. Personally I think the reason there is such a broad consensus on something so complicated is that research nowadays is, perhaps more than ever, driven by funding and political issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcb View Post
    That pretty much sums up my stance. Personally I think the reason there is such a broad consensus on something so complicated is that research nowadays is, perhaps more than ever, driven by funding and political issues.
    Yep!! 100% how I see it. When we all see how corrupt our so called leaders and system is we....are supposed to put that aside and believe this? I just don't have that kind of blind faith.

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    are you guys forgtetting something?

    No one makes fact of the population explosion in the last century.There is cause and effect in all our actions. Give it some thought. 150 years ago there were maybe a million carbon based fuel engines in the world.Today there are twice that number or more in America ,who knows the global number.The planet has not grown or shrunk significantly in eons.Natural and human actions are causing things we can not fathom.But there is a bright side to this, we die!

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    The problem is we are living longer

    Quote Originally Posted by kygorski View Post
    No one makes fact of the population explosion in the last century.There is cause and effect in all our actions. Give it some thought. 150 years ago there were maybe a million carbon based fuel engines in the world.Today there are twice that number or more in America ,who knows the global number.The planet has not grown or shrunk significantly in eons.Natural and human actions are causing things we can not fathom.But there is a bright side to this, we die!
    You are absolutely right about the Human Population Growth being the root cause of a lot of our own problems. And you are right about mother nature being the final arbitrator of this. We may pollute our shelves to death or have mass starvations due to hunger and disease.

    The earth only has a limited carrying capacity and that varies in different places though out the world.

    It's impossible to think that man's activities is not having an impact on our plant. How much of an impact is debatable but an impact non the less.

    What many don't really comprehend is that even a small change in the Average Global Temperature of the Earth can have a huge impact on certain areas of the planet. I think that super storms Sandy and Katrina were just small examples of what could come in the future with a warmer Earth.

    Warming of the Ocean's by just a few degrees can change ocean currents which can have a huge impact on certain parts of the Globe.

    We do know that the amount of Carbon Dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere has changed over time. We can extract ice cores from glacier that have been around for over thousands of years and measure the amount of CO2 that's frozen in the different layers of the ice. That tells us that the lower (older) layers of the ice have less CO2 in them. We do know that increasing levels of CO2 makes it harder for heat to leave the earth's atmosphere.

    I really have no dog in this fight, I'll be dead long before this all really starts to affect me and I don't have any kids to worry about in the future. I'm just saying!

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