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[Chubminnow]

I do however feel that Mccain would not have went so far with the spending and would have pulled back mainly due to public opinion on the subject. Public opinion of our Nations financial status plays a major role in our economy. That is were Obama dropped the ball IMO.

Obama didn't drop the ball, he never had a good hold of it to begin with. Sure he got elected POTUS, but in my opinion he only gained that status through smoke and mirrors, lots of big talk, etc...his track record/experience shows he never had hold of the ball...the sad thing is there were/are enough people living in this country who actually believed in him in the first place.

One things for sure about the big spending, stimulous packages, etc...the people in China and Japan are absolutely LOVING it! The Japanese and the Chinese are loving the American tax dollar!

[Devils Horse]

I wasn't trying to point out the greatness that is Obama just that the Fox News doom and gloom crowd seem to be consumed with the failures just like the left would be if it was the other way around, you know the "game". And hey ol Bushy was up there in the 80% in 2001 , I'm sure that put a smile on your face.


Well the economy is in a historically low spot so there is really no where to go but up, so the question is how long (1 year, 2....) will it take before it gets back to a somewhat stable place where people can find jobs....? This is where the short attention spans kicks in because the longer it lingers towards 2012 the worse it gets for him.


I am curious if you guys think McCain could have stopped unemployment from reaching 10% or had the economy turned around by now? This is not a attempt to defend anything Obama has done (increased the deficit) or hasn't done just a question.

NPR's website as a source...now there's an unbiased opinion for you. Right up there with CNN, the all Haiti all the time network. Then of course there's MSNBC with such vast oracles of knowledge as Kieth Obamaman. You forgot to quote him.

I'm not sure what it takes to get it through the average left winger's head the federal government CANNOT create jobs and stimulate the economy. Even if they could, it's NOT their job to do so. Borrowing/spending money and growing government is not the answer, and everyone but the 'enlightened' left knows that.

Even as China reminds the government they're owed 800+ billion, Mr Obama continues to focus on a constitutionally unsound health care bill that the overwhelming majority of productive Americans don't want. And ya'll have the gall to call Mr. Bush stupid. Go figure.

Mr Obama is not, and was never qualified to be the President of the United States. Say what you want about McCain, Palin, or anyone else but that is still an absolute fact.

[mhall]

Excellent Post Jim, I wish I could put things into words like you do.

The economy can fix itself if they would just get out of the way, aid it in small business tax cuts, and let it take it's course. He, Obama is so caught up in making sure his legacy is show stopping that he can't see the forest for the trees.

[Devils Horse]

Excellent Post Jim, I wish I could put things into words like you do.

The economy can fix itself if they would just get out of the way, aid it in small business tax cuts, and let it take it's course. He, Obama is so caught up in making sure his legacy is show stopping that he can't see the forest for the trees.

Thanks Mark. IMO you summed it up nicely.

You hear the the President's quote where he said he's "agnostic" about solutions to solve the deficit? That's how Mr Obama tells us common folk that tax increases for those making under 250k are now on the table.

Hiding behind his speechwriters' vocabulary can't disguise it...another shoe is about to drop, and yet another campaign promise bites the dust.

[pontooner]

Lets see the unemployment rate when Reagan took office in 81 was at 7.5% and climbed up to a high of 10.8% in Dec 82 and did not fall below 10% until July of 83. That's 2 years and 7 months into his Presidency. Just saying

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

Can't get the link to work for some reason so just google "Historical Data - Bureau of Labor Statistics Data" and it should be the first link at the top, then you can adjust the years data to be shown.

And this isn't your run of the mill recession, it's considered the worst since the Great Depression by most economist. Again I'm not defending anything Obama has or hasn't done just trying to keep things in perspective because you guys think your ideas are a easy fix to a major, major problem.

Also Devils Horse while the link was to NPR the meat of the article was from Congressional Quarterly reports, I just googled Obama success rate because I had read the story in the Bowling Green Daily News a few weeks back and it was the first link there that contained the same story. I don't think the BG Daily News is very pro Obama from my reading of it every day but hey what do I know.

[DJD]

Pontooner,
Man I think there are many simple aspects to fixing this recession. The simple things should be done first. When you don't have money you stop spending or at least get responsible about it.

Start there and things get better in a hurry! When we get to keep more of our hard earned money as opposed to feeling that the gubment is taking it and wasting it we feel better. Give business more freedom...it comes down to the simple things.

Gubment is greedy, this administration in on the record of saying they want wealth redistribution. They ran on a campaign of going after the fat cats of this country and that got the ignorant masses fired up. People thought they were gonna get something for free (again) so they loved Barry.

I just don't fall for the it's complicated statement. I also still maintain that lets say these guys get this turned around. At what cost? That has to be addressed. It's more important than the fact that it gets turned around. There are more options than the one these guys keep shoving down our throat.

[Devils Horse]

Lets see the unemployment rate when Reagan took office in 81 was at 7.5% and climbed up to a high of 10.8% in Dec 82 and did not fall below 10% until July of 83. That's 2 years and 7 months into his Presidency. Just saying

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

Can't get the link to work for some reason so just google "Historical Data - Bureau of Labor Statistics Data" and it should be the first link at the top, then you can adjust the years data to be shown.

And this isn't your run of the mill recession, it's considered the worst since the Great Depression by most economist. Again I'm not defending anything Obama has or hasn't done just trying to keep things in perspective because you guys think your ideas are a easy fix to a major, major problem.

Also Devils Horse while the link was to NPR the meat of the article was from Congressional Quarterly reports, I just googled Obama success rate because I had read the story in the Bowling Green Daily News a few weeks back and it was the first link there that contained the same story. I don't think the BG Daily News is very pro Obama from my reading of it every day but hey what do I know.

Couldn't resist a jab...Anyway the point was the difference in how the government approaches a depressed economy.

Reagan cut the government and taxes. His approach worked. The economy recovered and prospered for many years afterward. He also quit rolling over and taking loads of crap from other countries like that pansy Jimmy Carter did.

Ready for the best of all? Even though his administration did some wrong things, and yes, some bad things, Ronald Reagan never apologized for The United States of America to anydamnbody. Ever. That's a HUGE deal to me, and IMO millions of others.

Now conversly, Mr Obama is apologetic for us bad ole Americanos, and he's growing government at a record pace while borrowing us into generations of debt. Not to mention his federal forays into private industry like auto companies and banks. Federal tax increases for all of us are inevitable...I PROMISE you it will happen. His socialist approach is proven to fail time and again all over the world, yet here we go.

The country as a whole is beginning to realize what many of us have known all along, Mr. Obama is a terrible mistake which will cost us dearly.

[Devils Horse]

Pontooner,
Man I think there are many simple aspects to fixing this recession. The simple things should be done first. When you don't have money you stop spending or at least get responsible about it.

Start there and things get better in a hurry! When we get to keep more of our hard earned money as opposed to feeling that the gubment is taking it and wasting it we feel better. Give business more freedom...it comes down to the simple things.

Gubment is greedy, this administration in on the record of saying they want wealth redistribution. They ran on a campaign of going after the fat cats of this country and that got the ignorant masses fired up. People thought they were gonna get something for free (again) so they loved Barry.

I just don't fall for the it's complicated statement. I also still maintain that lets say these guys get this turned around. At what cost? That has to be addressed. It's more important than the fact that it gets turned around. There are more options than the one these guys keep shoving down our throat.

Well said Don. You filet BS like it was a 2 pound crappie.

[DJD]

Thank ya kindly Jim. I'm hungry now thinking about that crappie. I have eaten a few of those dropped in corn meal and tossed into a hot skillet of oil and eating them like tater chips! So hot as you try and eat it it looks like your doing a bad dubbing for some martial arts film with your mouth...

[pontooner]

Pontooner,
Man I think there are many simple aspects to fixing this recession. The simple things should be done first. When you don't have money you stop spending or at least get responsible about it.

Start there and things get better in a hurry! When we get to keep more of our hard earned money as opposed to feeling that the gubment is taking it and wasting it we feel better. Give business more freedom...it comes down to the simple things.

Guess there's more than one way to skin a cat and dems and repubs go at it different ways so I'll leave it at that but I still find it funny that Obama catches all this flack about not haveing the economy fixed in 13 months (what a failure Reagan must have felt like).

Gubment is greedy, this administration in on the record of saying they want wealth redistribution. They ran on a campaign of going after the fat cats of this country and that got the ignorant masses fired up. People thought they were gonna get something for free (again) so they loved Barry.

People are greedy also you know and Warren Buffett shed a little light sheds a little light on it here. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3869458&page=2

"ignorant masses" "free (again)" huh, well I guess I know where you went with that but again politics is just a game and both sides pander to their "ignorant masses" whether it's gay rights, abortion issues, getting something for free (again)......... because they are never really are hot button issues until election time rolls around.

"ignorant masses" wouldn't have really been my first choice of words but since you used it I thought I would play along.

[DJD]

Oh yeah I stand behind that "ignorant Masses" 100%! The campaign the Dems ran was spot on the way it has to be done. Go after the men and women who want something for nothing, too young to have any experience of being used by the gubment, gubment program lifers, gubment program companies, corrupt unions, minority, and bully tactics by social lice like the Black Panthers.

All this is proven so all I'm saying is what we all have seen.

I agree politics is a game and I wouldn't care so much except that they are using my money, my kids money and all of our futures. Been going on way too long....I can honestly call a spade a spade and this administration is terrible. Just start with the lies in the campaign and go from there....and yeah it's only been a year...thats what is scary! Even the Dems are starting to come around to the mess they are causing. They missed the boat on whats important to the americans. They went in the direction that was important to them and that was social programs, changing the way america operates and so on.

Oh well at least we know we still are on totally opposite ends of the political pole..huh?

[DJD]

Just wanted to clarify something...."ignorant" meaning lack of knowledge or experience. Uninformed, unenlightened, green, misguided and naive.
"Justin Case" it wasn't clear.