One and DOnes

[redneckshadrap]

The post Walkavaitor put on my Ole Miss thread got me to thinking. As many of these One and Done that have Went and Gone over the pasrt 10yrs you would figure that they would be contracted out enough that most teams would be full of talent. Plus the fact that some of the One and Dones have been One and Duds.
And I'm not just talking about the UK situation with Cal. Granted he loaded the draft up like a shotgun last yr first round, but has the money that was spent on the UK players worth it to the NBA teams that picked them.....\

Wall has been the exception. Haven't heard squat from the others....Cousins has been mentioned a couple of time.....

I , too, am tired of the one and dones.....


Any thoughts?????

[Tim_T]

I have said it on more than one occasion. I would like to see the NBA adopt the baseball rule. Every player coming out of high school is automatically in the draft. You can sign with a college and then if you are drafted, you have so long to negotiate with that team and there is a deadline. If you choose to go to college instead of the pros, you are not eligible for the draft for three years. It would help the NBA and help the college game as well.

[elnutsmalljaws]

I have said it on more than one occasion. I would like to see the NBA adopt the baseball rule. Every player coming out of high school is automatically in the draft. You can sign with a college and then if you are drafted, you have so long to negotiate with that team and there is a deadline. If you choose to go to college instead of the pros, you are not eligible for the draft for three years. It would help the NBA and help the college game as well.

I agree with Tim to a point. I think kids coming out of high school should be eligible for the NBA Draft if they want to put their names in the draft but once they sign to play in college they must stay 2 years minimum. I think a college basketball player can transition to the NBA easier than a college baseball player so I think the 1 less year is comparable. One thing about Cal and his one and done players is it will be a LOT more of an issue at UK versus Memphis or UMass for a lot more top notch recruits will want to come to UK versus the other schools all things being equal.


Less Dream for just a minute that there was a mandatory 2 year rule and no high school kid could go straight to the draft.

Patrick Patterson (who would have been a senior) leading a group that included Wall, Bledsoe, Knight, Lamb and Miller at the Guards and Small Forward Position, Patterson and Jones at the Power Forward Position, Cousins and Orton at Center. Put anybody (Liggins or Harrelson or Hood) in the 10th position and you have another 1996 team where the second string is a Top 25 team. Pretty scary at the talent Cal can bring in even without a NCAA title or any other title for that fact to his credit.

[Tim_T]

I agree somewhat with you Elwood, but when you think of the line ups, you have to remember that guys like Knight and Jones would most likely have went elsewhere if all those guys came back for this season.

Also, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but Cal is getting the same type of players at Uk as he did at memphis. It is not easier to recruit to UK over other schools like it used to be or Tubby and billy G would have done much better. These kids are not coming to UK because of the 7 NCAA titles or all the final fours and history of UK basketball. They could care less about UK they are coming because of coach Cal. A program's history means nothing to kids now days, they come for the coach and that is it.

[zx150]

I agree somewhat with you Elwood, but when you think of the line ups, you have to remember that guys like Knight and Jones would most likely have went elsewhere if all those guys came back for this season.

Also, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but Cal is getting the same type of players at Uk as he did at memphis. It is not easier to recruit to UK over other schools like it used to be or Tubby and billy G would have done much better. These kids are not coming to UK because of the 7 NCAA titles or all the final fours and history of UK basketball. They could care less about UK they are coming because of coach Cal. A program's history means nothing to kids now days, they come for the coach and that is it.

Amen! I think there are very very few kids that want to play for their team anymore. Sad but true.

[Catfish Bob]

Think they should go back to way it was and let them go right out of H.S.

I don't agree with making the kids stay for a certain period of time. Basketball is way different than most sports in that a 17-18 year old kid can jump right into the pros and compete.

If the one and dones are hurting a team then it is up to the coach to quit recruiting players that will most likely leave the 1st chance they get.

Does the Duke coach have this same problem with one and dones?

Anyone ever read the (I think was in SI) sports illustrated article titled the most hated man in college sports?

[mhall]

The reason Duke can get players and keep them is the type of kids. Let's call it like it is, most of Duke's players want an education to go along with playing basketball. Will Kyle Singler be a stand out player in the NBA if he even goes, probably not but he's still a Hell of a college ball player. The NBA has ruint college basketball. When Ky hired Calapari they cheapened a long tenure of pride and dignity. He is now running a NBA farm club. This is what he does and has done it everywhere he has ever been. He doesn't get the best talent because of his coaching ability he gets them because of that NBA offense he runs and the fact that he tells them they will get drafted and make Millions. Would I do it if I had that kinda skill....more than likely, who doesn't want to make millions??

I am a fan of playing two years before being drafted, I am also a fan of paying retribution back to the school for the two years tuition you recieved to be ABLE to go and make millions. Some kids do this, most don't, I think it should be mandatory. Will teams like Ky and others that have an every year turnover ever get a title, maybe, but it will be tough. I say Jones is gone after this year, he is a walking attitude, I don't like him a bit. I say Knight stays, he's a good young man and see's a bigger picture than most. Lamb would go to the draft in a bird dog second if he thought he would be drafted, he is in it for the money. School pride is a lost art and we may never see it totally return thanks to the League and people like fathead Lebron James.

[walkeraviator]

Yeah, Im with Bob. Either make a college degree mandatory for NBA play (not going to happen)... or let these high schooler's skip college and go straight to the pros.

[Catfish Bob]

The reason Duke can get players and keep them is the type of kids. Let's call it like it is, most of Duke's players want an education to go along with playing basketball. Will Kyle Singler be a stand out player in the NBA if he even goes, probably not but he's still a Hell of a college ball player. The NBA has ruint college basketball. When Ky hired Calapari they cheapened a long tenure of pride and dignity. He is now running a NBA farm club. This is what he does and has done it everywhere he has ever been. He doesn't get the best talent because of his coaching ability he gets them because of that NBA offense he runs and the fact that he tells them they will get drafted and make Millions. Would I do it if I had that kinda skill....more than likely, who doesn't want to make millions??

^Very well said.
UK b-ball lost me as a fan after they fired Tubby.
A man with principal integrity and high values is how I saw Tubby. Yet our ignorant fans ran him off because he didn't win every year. I guess they forget that b-ball is a childs game, and the game is only half of it. The most important thing is these kids grow up and become men, learning from a guy like Tubby about life and what it is to be a man would most certainly help any young fella.

I am a fan of playing two years before being drafted, I am also a fan of paying retribution back to the school for the two years tuition you recieved to be ABLE to go and make millions. Some kids do this, most don't, I think it should be mandatory. Will teams like Ky and others that have an every year turnover ever get a title, maybe, but it will be tough. I say Jones is gone after this year, he is a walking attitude, I don't like him a bit. I say Knight stays, he's a good young man and see's a bigger picture than most. Lamb would go to the draft in a bird dog second if he thought he would be drafted, he is in it for the money. School pride is a lost art and we may never see it totally return thanks to the League and people like fathead Lebron James.

I can't agree with that. If it weren't for the players these schools wouldn't be profiting hundreds of millions of dollars. Why should Rondo,Cousins, etc,,, pay back tuition when they helped make millions for the school?

[Tim_T]

Mark, no way should these kids have to pay back tuition. The schools make millions each year off the backs of these kids all because of their ability to play ball. Plus, something that a lot of fans do not know, an athletic scholarship is not a four year free ride. The scholarship is renewable each year but a coach can yank your scholarship after any season he so chooses and does not need a reason to do so. It happens all the time and has happened at both schools under both current coaches.

[goosecreekguy]

Mark, no way should these kids have to pay back tuition. The schools make millions each year off the backs of these kids all because of their ability to play ball. Plus, something that a lot of fans do not know, an athletic scholarship is not a four year free ride. The scholarship is renewable each year but a coach can yank your scholarship after any season he so chooses and does not need a reason to do so. It happens all the time and has happened at both schools under both current coaches.

Yes it does unfortunately. Happened to me when I played at a small school in southern Alabama. I was a 3.8 student and worked hard. But the coach only renewed one of six returning scholarships from a team that only lost 4 games. A few weeks after school ended, he resigned as coach from that school and took a higher paying job at a rival institution.
I am glad I didn't have to pay back that tuition because of something I had no choice in.

[Tim_T]

Goose, were di you play? I had a friend from high school who was pretty heavily recruited by Samford, but wound up at St. catherine for two years and then finished up at Georgetown College.