is the shutdown helping?

[Moveon]

anyone remember this.......I thought we were told the whole reason that the gubment got involved in our healthcare system was to curb costs. Medical devices, procedures, drugs things like that. Is any of that even addressed?im asking because obamacare is here to stay for the immediate future. IMO it will be trashed once the fools who voted in Obama realize what the rest of us already realize and that is it's a train wreck and quite honestly will ruin millions of people before it's fixed....if it can be!!!!

I'm wondering what you think is a better plan DJD? Obviously what we have been doing over the last 50 years has brought us to this point with high medical cost and high drug costs. Do you propose that we continue to do the same thing for the next 50 years knowing that the cost of medicine and drugs far exceeds the normal rate of inflation?

Obamacare is not even started for most people yet you are quick to blame the high price of my medicine on Obamacare. I don't think that Obamacare had anything to do with the price of my meds being over 100 dollars. In fact it's due to what we did before Obamacare even started.

Perhaps we should look at what's going on with health insurance in MA to see how Obamacare will work in the long run. Remember that in MA it's called Romneycare and it's working good there.

I think that everyone would agree that the high costs of medical care needs to be brought under control. At least Obama is trying something new that we know has worked in Massachusetts.

[Tyme2fish]

Maryland’s median household income of $70,004 was the highest in the country. Therefor money is being taken from the "wealthy" to pay for the poor.

One cannot extrapolate one State's success in a government run health program onto the Nation's ability to transfer wealth to pay for the poor.

I too understand and am concerned about the high costs of medications. I was diagnosed as a Type I diabetic just 3 months after I left the workforce. Why is that anyone's problem but mine?

Lantus Insulin is about $199.00/month and Humalog is the same. That's my problem only. Why should my burden be shouldered by others. Yes, it *****, but it's my burden,not yours.

Health insurance of $900.00/month and out of pocket medications at $500.00/month. I therefore request that every member on fishin.com send me $40.00/month to cover my expenses. Does that sound fair?

It's MY PROBLEM AND I'll strive to live and take care of myself,just as I've done all my adult life.

I don't want help from others and if that means we eat Ramon noodles for every meal to cover my medications, so be it.

Oops, sorry I placed Maryland instead of Massachusetts medium income.

[Hlleonard]

Maryland’s median household income of $70,004 was the highest in the country. Therefor money is being taken from the "wealthy" to pay for the poor.

One cannot extrapolate one State's success in a government run health program onto the Nation's ability to transfer wealth to pay for the poor.

I too understand and am concerned about the high costs of medications. I was diagnosed as a Type I diabetic just 3 months after I left the workforce. Why is that anyone's problem but mine?

Lantus Insulin is about $199.00/month and Humalog is the same. That's my problem only. Why should my burden be shouldered by others. Yes, it *****, but it's my burden,not yours.

Health insurance of $900.00/month and out of pocket medications at $500.00/month. I therefore request that every member on fishin.com send me $40.00/month to cover my expenses. Does that sound fair?

It's MY PROBLEM AND I'll strive to live and take care of myself,just as I've done all my adult life.

I don't want help from others and if that means we eat Ramon noodles for every meal to cover my medications, so be it.

Oops, sorry I placed Maryland instead of Massachusetts medium income.

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Do you believe we would stay the country we are and have been if we simply allow people to die if they don't happen to have the resources to pay the cost of the treatment they need?... Do you believe we should simply let folks die from gunshot wounds if they don't have the resources to pay for the ambulance ride to the hospital where they should have to pay for whatever treatment they might need before they are taken into the facility?...After all it's none of our business and it is their problem.... I see you would still be able to "eat ramon noodles" after you pay for whatever treatment you need, not everybody is that fortunate.

[DJD]

I'm wondering what you think is a better plan DJD? Obviously what we have been doing over the last 50 years has brought us to this point with high medical cost and high drug costs. Do you propose that we continue to do the same thing for the next 50 years knowing that the cost of medicine and drugs far exceeds the normal rate of inflation?

Obamacare is not even started for most people yet you are quick to blame the high price of my medicine on Obamacare. I don't think that Obamacare had anything to do with the price of my meds being over 100 dollars. In fact it's due to what we did before Obamacare even started.

Perhaps we should look at what's going on with health insurance in MA to see how Obamacare will work in the long run. Remember that in MA it's called Romneycare and it's working good there.

I think that everyone would agree that the high costs of medical care needs to be brought under control. At least Obama is trying something new that we know has worked in Massachusetts.

Either I didn't get my point across properly or you misread...one of the selling points (my memory may be wrong)about obamacare was to get healthcare costs under control. Drug companies have had free reign on what they charge. I have refused meds in the past because of high costs only to have my Doc give me a script for a generic that was a third of the cost of the original med....wanna bet the drug companies wanted him to push the new patented drug and as an incentive he was going to get something for his efforts? So....I never said costs have gone up because of obamacare...I am asking if anyone remembered this being said?

If you think comparing any sort of socialized healthcare program to obamacare is an argument to me your wrong. I don't like any of them. I think they are bandaids to bigger problems and folks fall into that trap of thinking we the american tax payers have messed this up when in fact it wasn't me..Mr. Joe taxpayer. WELL....I guess in a way we are responsible because of our attitude of living life fat dumb and happy and wanting the gubment to take care of us with their money because we all know it does grow on trees for them. A never ending supply of cash free of charge to us tax payers.

Smokers, obesity and general unhealthy living along with folks living longer has healthcare costs up. It was also the greed of gubment and corporations via wasteful spending and the inability of gubment to actually have a freaking backbone and secure the borders or send illegals packing. Lawyers and Judges allowing frivolous lawsuits has Doctors and Hospitals scared!! So now they spend major cash in insurance to hold the lawsuits at bay. You know I work around and in Hospitals ALOT and the major part of any renovation project is infection control. The hospital spends some serious cash on Mechanical systems, hand sanitizers, special walls, special hepa filters, special procedures for looking above the ceiling, special procedures on entering the building, special meetings for contractors and of course the hospital staff to support this. Why did they do this? Ridiculous lawsuits that are not tossed out by judges and actually being won by some for billions of dollars. I'm sure there are other factors but these are the few I can come up with.

A better Healthcare system or keep it the same?? My immediate idea is pretty much get costs under control. Stop giving every tom, dikk and harry under the gubments wing free healthcare....meaning if your getting welfare money or in prison you don't get free reign on healthcare. Take that idea a step further...if your convicted of lets say murder or child molester you don't get free healthcare anymore. If your a crackhead no free healthcare. If your an illegal you don't get free healthcare. An illegal having a baby? You better have some cash or legal sponsor here to pay for your bills or no baby delivered here. The notion of these folks walking around poor or looking for a chance is bull. They are working under the table and making a living so they can pay just like me and you. I know it's cold but look where doing business as we have been has got us. If I was in the position to sit back and brainstorm this stuff I'm sure something better than what we have done in the past and for sure something better than obamacare would happen. Tort reform is another, allow consumers to shop nationwide for healthcare instead of blocking certain companies from doing business in certain states.

Does Obamacare address anything on helping in any area I mentioned? Or is it just another ploy to get control of another industry so they can control more tax money? I mean if it is going to GIVE SUBSIDIES to millions of people already what does that tell you? Do you really thing because it's different its better? Really? Obama is different and look what that thinking has got us!! Trillions more in debt, unheard of division in the gubment and country and we have even had our credit rating downgraded once.

[Moveon]

I think that the better plan is Obamacare. I'd rather see it play out and see how it's going to work. I know of some people who are staunch republicans and have seen their health insurance cost drop significantly and are very happy that it happened because of Obamacare.

And the people in Mass are not complaining about Romneycare there.

[DJD]

I think that the better plan is Obamacare. I'd rather see it play out and see how it's going to work. I know of some people who are staunch republicans and have seen their health insurance cost drop significantly and are very happy that it happened because of Obamacare.

And the people in Mass are not complaining about Romneycare there.

We don't have a choice.

[kygorski]

Either get insurance, or just crawl away somewhere and die. I've been paying insurance for probably 60 yrs, Auto, home, boating, and other involuntary insurance on property, and liability.Most has been voluntary. But some have NO insurance of any kind.I have paid a part of my medical insurance for the past 30 years. So a lot of us blame illegals for health care costs going up. YES they are part of it. BUT WHY ARE THEY HERE???. Hiring them is illegal, is it enforced? How many "dead beat" dads are walking around scot free, because the courts wont enforce judgements? Those of us who choose to be law abiding citizens are ignored. National health care is not a new nobahma idea. t has been proposed over and over since RMN was president. It would eventually come. BUT SINCE IT CAME WHILE A NOT WHITE MAN WAS POTUS,ITS A DISGRACE. Guess what, there may never be a " white old male" POTUS again.

[DJD]

Either get insurance, or just crawl away somewhere and die. I've been paying insurance for probably 60 yrs, Auto, home, boating, and other involuntary insurance on property, and liability.Most has been voluntary. But some have NO insurance of any kind.I have paid a part of my medical insurance for the past 30 years. So a lot of us blame illegals for health care costs going up. YES they are part of it. BUT WHY ARE THEY HERE???. Hiring them is illegal, is it enforced? How many "dead beat" dads are walking around scot free, because the courts wont enforce judgements? Those of us who choose to be law abiding citizens are ignored. National health care is not a new nobahma idea. t has been proposed over and over since RMN was president. It would eventually come. BUT SINCE IT CAME WHILE A NOT WHITE MAN WAS POTUS,ITS A DISGRACE. Guess what, there may never be a " white old male" POTUS again.

We will see another White potus (honestly I don't care what color just don't shove it on me that I can't like their policies if they are black) but he or she will have a minority running mate. Maybe the minority will be a woman but the days of two white guys running and winning is over IMO. That was a huge mistake on the part of the GOP this last time and I called that from the start......I mentioned better get a black or Hispanic running mate or its over.

[GeoFisher]

Either get insurance, or just crawl away somewhere and die. I've been paying insurance for probably 60 yrs, Auto, home, boating, and other involuntary insurance on property, and liability.Most has been voluntary. But some have NO insurance of any kind.I have paid a part of my medical insurance for the past 30 years. So a lot of us blame illegals for health care costs going up. YES they are part of it. BUT WHY ARE THEY HERE???. Hiring them is illegal, is it enforced? How many "dead beat" dads are walking around scot free, because the courts wont enforce judgements? Those of us who choose to be law abiding citizens are ignored. National health care is not a new nobahma idea. t has been proposed over and over since RMN was president. It would eventually come. BUT SINCE IT CAME WHILE A NOT WHITE MAN WAS POTUS,ITS A DISGRACE. Guess what, there may never be a " white old male" POTUS again.

WHAT is disgraceful is you pushing the race issue.

ObamaCare and my DISGUST for Obama has nothing to do with him being bi-racial. Yea, he's NOT BLACK, don't ya know.

Later,

Geo

[greenriverman1]

Either get insurance, or just crawl away somewhere and die. I've been paying insurance for probably 60 yrs, Auto, home, boating, and other involuntary insurance on property, and liability.Most has been voluntary. But some have NO insurance of any kind.I have paid a part of my medical insurance for the past 30 years. So a lot of us blame illegals for health care costs going up. YES they are part of it. BUT WHY ARE THEY HERE???. Hiring them is illegal, is it enforced? How many "dead beat" dads are walking around scot free, because the courts wont enforce judgements? Those of us who choose to be law abiding citizens are ignored. National health care is not a new nobahma idea. t has been proposed over and over since RMN was president. It would eventually come. BUT SINCE IT CAME WHILE A NOT WHITE MAN WAS POTUS,ITS A DISGRACE. Guess what, there may never be a " white old male" POTUS again.

Why is it so important to keep bringing up the POTUS race? Who gives a crap?

[kygorski]

Its gotta be something. He's for illegal immigrants, but he's deported more than Clinton bush put together. He's a closet muslim, but who has ordered more drone strikes, or killed more muslims than he has? He's a communist, but the poverty level is increasing, the middle class is shrinking, and the well off are doing better than ever. Can't he get anything right? He didn't start home land secutity. He is a coward for for not bombing Syria, he's fiscally irresponsible because he wants to pay back borrowed money for two wars he didn't start..Its got to be his color!! Get him out of office now, and put boener or who ever that orange guy is, in his office

[fishin350]

I am not racist I don't like either half white or black the man is a sorry excuse for an American!