Melting Antarctic Glaciers

[kygorski]

It don't matter who's right or left. Man is changing HIS environment. He's moving into places where he never belonged. Building houses on flood plains, sea shores, diverting water to places it never was. No matter what we do as a species, we have a time clock,were going to die! Were finding new diseses we can't cure.We are changing crops that may not nourish us . As and if land mass shrinks,poulations also will change. If we are the epitemy of creation, top of the food chain,what do you cal flys, mosquitos, ticks,fleas, and other things tat prey on us?

[GeoFisher]

you had me confused, Moveon's post was talking about melting Glacier ice, and you asked, how does a iceberg floating in the water, displace more water. Moveon's post wasn't talking about an iceberg floating in the water, it was talking about warming temps melting the Glacier ice and making the ocean water level rise. I just assumed you were a Simpleton rightie and thought Moveon was talking about a floating iceberg melting, making the ocean rise. I was just trying to be helpful, making it extremely simple for you righties to see, Moveon was talking about melting Glacier ice, that is above sea level. melting and entering the ocean, making it rise. it's good to hear you say, you understand about water displacement. just back up and read your post where you replyed to Moveon's post and you should see where you had me confused.

I understand how you got confused, and I read MoveON's post.....I also read the article,, and reread it......

And then pulled out this little tidbit.........

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If the whole glacier system melts, Joughin says, it would raise global sea levels about 24 inches (60 centimeters), he adds. The process will take a while, roughly 200 to 900 years, Joughin and colleagues estimate, depending on how fast temperatures rise and how much snow falls in the area.
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So, let me get this straight...........if the entire freakin glacier.....meaning ALL of the Thwaites glacier on Antarctica's Amundsen Sea melts, then worldwide sea levels would raise 24 inches.

Now, the doom and gloom folks love to play with absolutes. Do you really think the entire freakin glacier system there is going to melt. If you do, I have a land mass on the moon to sell you.

No matter, lets tax the living **** out of people and spend multiple trillions of dollars on this because it is OBVIOUS that gubment spends our money extremely effectively.

I don't even know why I try......

Later,

Geo

[GeoFisher]

It don't matter who's right or left. Man is changing HIS environment. He's moving into places where he never belonged. Building houses on flood plains, sea shores, diverting water to places it never was. No matter what we do as a species, we have a time clock,were going to die! Were finding new diseses we can't cure.We are changing crops that may not nourish us . As and if land mass shrinks,poulations also will change. If we are the epitemy of creation, top of the food chain,what do you cal flys, mosquitos, ticks,fleas, and other things tat prey on us?

I completely agree with that statement.........I just don't feel spending TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars on a made up problem like global warming is an effective use of tax money.

The earth warms and the earth cools.......we don't know enough about the cycles and process to KNOW if we are a contributor. To think otherwise is extremely ignorant on our part. Maybe one day we will know enough, but I doubt it.

Later,

Geo

[waterdog101]

I understand how you got confused, and I read MoveON's post.....I also read the article,, and reread it......

And then pulled out this little tidbit.........

"
If the whole glacier system melts, Joughin says, it would raise global sea levels about 24 inches (60 centimeters), he adds. The process will take a while, roughly 200 to 900 years, Joughin and colleagues estimate, depending on how fast temperatures rise and how much snow falls in the area.
"

So, let me get this straight...........if the entire freakin glacier.....meaning ALL of the Thwaites glacier on Antarctica's Amundsen Sea melts, then worldwide sea levels would raise 24 inches.

Now, the doom and gloom folks love to play with absolutes. Do you really think the entire freakin glacier system there is going to melt. If you do, I have a land mass on the moon to sell you.

No matter, lets tax the living **** out of people and spend multiple trillions of dollars on this because it is OBVIOUS that gubment spends our money extremely effectively.

I don't even know why I try......

Later,

Geo

where did you read info that says, if all Antarctica's Glaciers melted, the ocean levels would only rise 24 inches? here is a link that says Antarctica's Ice Glaciers are 7,000 feet thick and if it melted the ocean would rise about 200 feet. and the Ice on Greenland alone would make the ocean rise 20 feet.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/env...uestion473.htm

[GeoFisher]

where did you read info that says, if all Antarctica's Glaciers melted, the ocean levels would only rise 24 inches? here is a link that says Antarctica's Ice Glaciers are 7,000 feet thick and if it melted the ocean would rise about 200 feet. and the Ice on Greenland alone would make the ocean rise 20 feet.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/env...uestion473.htm

You have to dig a little. " Ian Joughin, leader of the other research team, said that nothing can stop the collapse of the ice sheet, adding, "There's no stabilization mechanism." So instead of arbitrarily believing the leftist ******** from CNN, I went directly to the source Ian Joughin.......and the quote I put in came directly from him from the national geographic article linked in the LEFTIST CNN reporters ******** report.

Unlike most who simply want to spout ********, I tend to want to read as much as I can, and make my own decisions.

If it will indeed take hundreds and hundreds of years, and in fact it is only the region I quoted in my post, AND it will only rise 24 inches, who gives a rip.

Now, do your own research......and come back at me, but not too soon, as I will be fighting my own glacier melt in Quetico in a couple days........

Yea, in 30 years of tripping up there, I've never had 20 inches of ice on interior lakes on Memorial Day. Isn't global warming great..........

Later,

Geo

[Moveon]

George your entire premise is false or off target. I suspect you tried to do that on purpose as you can't be that unaware of how the melting glaciers make the ocean levels rise. Ice does indeed float in water but it also sits on the land well out of the water. Only when the ice moves from the land to the water does it start to melt. When the Ice enter the water is raised the Ocean level at that time. It's the process of going from land to water that caused the ocean level to rise. Duh!

Ice is less DENSE that water. That's why if FLOATS. Water EXPANDS when it freezes making it larger and thus lighter.

When water melts is occupies less space.

Water that's on top of land does not displace water in the ocean or make the ocean deeper. In fact water that evaporates from the ocean rises into the atmosphere and lowers the level of the oceans. Just as water boiling in a tea pot evaporates and leave the water level in the tea pot lower.

These are solid scientific and physical facts that are not in dispute.

Water that falls on the mountain tops at the water vapor in the atmosphere condenses and collects into larger and larger aggregates of water molecules eventually falls at rain or snow. Snow accumulate on the top of the mountain and over time gravity pulls the ice down and the ice accumulate into a large mass called a Glacier. Glaciers hold a lot of water. Glaciers are sitting on top of the land and come glaciers cover a great portion of certain Continents such at the Antarctic Continent. The ice sitting on top of the land is not making the ocean level rise. In fact the ocean levels are lowered when the water in the ocean evaporates, falls as snow and gets stuck on land.

Now the opposite can happen if the global average temperature of the Earth rises just a few degrees. Remember that Ice freezes at 32 Deg F at Standard Pressure of 760 mm Hg. There is some energy required to change water from one form to another. Water vapor to liquid and from liquid to ice. So it takes a little bit more energy to melt the snow. Weather changes all the time. Heat energy is lost to space and moved around the earth due to the fact that the earth spins on it's axis and revolved around the sun. Gravity and other factors move the air around which move the heat around the earth. That's why real scientist deal with Global Temperatures not a single temp at some remote local. And they deal with long range average if all areas of the earth. Looking at the entire picture they found that the average global temperatures of the earth are rising not falling. And they have been rising for a long time now.

The ice is melting off the land slowly but surely and it's running back down into the ocean. Thus the ocean levels are rising.

Just the opposite of what you said. The ice is melting and it's filling up the oceans with more water and the sea levels will continue to rise if this keeps on. Contrary to what George Said below.

George, Put several ice cube above the water and let them melt and drip into a cup below. You will see the water level in the cup rising if all the melt water goes into the cup. Start with an empty pre weighted (tarred) cup and measure the weight of the cup and added melt water at the end. ENOUGH SAID!!!

How does an ICEBURG, floating in the water melt and displace more water?? Basic science disproves that completely.

You can try this little experiment yourself. Put an ice cube in a glass of water. MARK the waterline. Come back an hour later, when the ice cube is melted............ENOUGH SAID.

PS: I won't debate you on the amount of rising ocean levels or when it will happen. We will both not be around long enough to find out the truth. By the time this happens your kid's kids may see the affects.

Later,

Geo

[Moveon]

He gets it from the Internet.... Loony Tunes! and Fixed News Corp. Owned and operated by Fossil Fuels Inc.

where did you read info that says, if all Antarctica's Glaciers melted, the ocean levels would only rise 24 inches? here is a link that says Antarctica's Ice Glaciers are 7,000 feet thick and if it melted the ocean would rise about 200 feet. and the Ice on Greenland alone would make the ocean rise 20 feet.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/env...uestion473.htm

[DJD]

Have no fear Global Warming fear mongers...the sky is not falling. Just go about your daily lives of contributing to the failure of civilization by massive floods as if nothing can be done. Because if you really believed it could be stopped or slowed you would be doing something about it. So you can pull an article off the internet to support your belief...big deal. There are many out there that say the opposite of what your cutting and pasting.

We are not promised tomorrow anyway so why get yourself so worked up over this crap?

I found one article that says your expert is wrong about Global Warming....Go figure huh? They are not tying melting icecaps to greenhouse gases either. This renouned Russian Scientist thinks we will be cooling not warming.

http://notrickszone.com/2013/04/05/r...oling-refuges/

[GeoFisher]

He gets it from the Internet.... Loony Tunes! and Fixed News Corp. Owned and operated by Fossil Fuels Inc.

Got it from national geographic......

And yea, Moose I'm not a scientist.....And yea, I do understand about displacement, and yea I do understand about melt ABOVE the GROUND.

The original article that started this whole my **** is bigger than your **** argument was about a very specific area that is having a collapse....that area, is posted in my response. I'm not going to post it again. LOOK the **** up if you want to know about it.

The area where the collapse occurred has some interesting geography. Again.......go READ the freakin stuff for yourself. I'm not going to rehash it here. Warm water intrusion occurred as has occurred tens of thousands of times through the history of our earth. That caused a piece.....a very small piece of a glacier to collapse, and melt.

Holy HELL.......we're all doomed, right. Well, not quite. The way and method that collapse occurred can only happen in a very limited amount of the glaciers there.....less than 1% of the total mass. Yep. that is going to flood the world. You call me out and tell me I"m not a scientist, but I will tell you this.....it is the IGNORANCE of scientists like yourself that continue the perpetuation of a myth......Sad.

Go EDUCATE yourself for once.

[Moveon]

If you understood then you Purposely misdirected everyone in your first post that I responded too.

What you failed to realize is that the ice is slipping into the ocean but it started higher up on land before it went into the ocean. Snow that falls into the water melts unless the water's covered with ice. Ice tend to float up on the surface. remember?

And the glaciers that are melting are NOT small by any means. Some are as huge as many of the larger "STATE" in the USA. These are huge Sheets of Ice.

I'm pretty sure that I read about another huge piece of ice that melted and fell of the edge of the continent up in North America somewhere off the East Coast of North America. That huge piece of ice is floating up in the North Atlantic and was said to be a traffic hazard for ships in that area.

To deny that the glaciers all over the world are melting more than solidifying is just crazy talk by some people who can't see the truth if it were put right in front of their face.

Again I see that no one cares about the melting ice or the slow rising ocean as it's not going to have an immediate effect on them or me. And I pretty sure that I don't need anymore formal education at my age. Although I could go back to collect and take some fun classes.

There you go over exaggerating something that I never said. I never said we were all doomed and you know that.

So all the rest of your blabber after that statement is non sense.

You made your bed I just told you to go lay in it! You were the one practically claiming to be doing scientific experiments with a glass of water. Did you or did you not explain an experiment on melting ice cube in a glass of water? It sounded to me like you were trying to disprove the Global Warming Theory and the rising ocean levels with that silly experiment. So I simply called you out on that and explained to you why the experiment was not appropriate. I then explained why the Highly Educated Researchers and other Scientist are all saying that the melting Glaciers and ice are causing the Ocean levels to rise Slowly.

Note Here: No one is saying that the sky is falling. Your lame attempt to try to say that I said anything like that is absurd. I'm not sure why you do things like that. I guess you can answer that question for yourself.


I called you out on your false premise and that's all I did. Sorry if you took that wrong.

As for my education it's all good. I would suggest that you take your own advice! Educate yourself better before you go around making misstatements that make you look foolish.

Got it from national geographic......

And yea, Moose I'm not a scientist.....And yea, I do understand about displacement, and yea I do understand about melt ABOVE the GROUND.

The original article that started this whole my **** is bigger than your **** argument was about a very specific area that is having a collapse....that area, is posted in my response. I'm not going to post it again. LOOK the **** up if you want to know about it.

The area where the collapse occurred has some interesting geography. Again.......go READ the freakin stuff for yourself. I'm not going to rehash it here. Warm water intrusion occurred as has occurred tens of thousands of times through the history of our earth. That caused a piece.....a very small piece of a glacier to collapse, and melt.

Holy HELL.......we're all doomed, right. Well, not quite. The way and method that collapse occurred can only happen in a very limited amount of the glaciers there.....less than 1% of the total mass. Yep. that is going to flood the world. You call me out and tell me I"m not a scientist, but I will tell you this.....it is the IGNORANCE of scientists like yourself that continue the perpetuation of a myth......Sad.

Go EDUCATE yourself for once.

[GeoFisher]

Aw.......never mind..........simply not worth it.

[roadrunner]

Were will your grandkids be in another 100 or 200 years?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/15/opinio...html?hpt=hp_t4

They will be right here the weather goes in cycles and has already started a cooling cycle. You need to stop drinking Gore's kool aid