Mr President.......you broke the law..........AGAIN

[waterdog101]

Haven't been here long enough to know, what do these guys rattle about when we have a republican president?

as honest as I know how to answer you, circumstances change but conservatives stay the same.

[DJD]

if you read the article, it is a lot more than 400,000 so who don't understand the math. this is a copy from the article, Since taking the oath of office, Obama has deported immigrants at a faster rate than any other president in US history, nearly a record 2 million people.

I read that he cooked the numbers. I didn't hear the NPR show that explained it but folks are saying his administration counts the simple turning back of illegals at the border as deportation numbers. No other president has done that so those numbers of his appear to be false and misleading.....does that surprise anyone??? Didn't he fix the unemployment numbers as well?

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...tatistics.html

[GonFishn]

What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?...

I, Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican Visitor's Lament."

I interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, "Illegal aliens pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes. What happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"

Hmmm, I thought, what would happen?

So I did my due diligence, buried my nose as a reporter into the FACTS I found below.

It's a good question... it deserves an honest answer. Over 80% of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers I found may surprise you!

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.

In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grandchilds would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Colorado an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67% dropout/flunk rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's 4% unem ployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.

If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home,' the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.

In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!

America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America 's economy which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt. $8.7 trillion debt!!!

At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country - brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11% of our greenhouse gases.

Over one million of Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas, to San Diego, California, in what the New York Times called, 'colonias' or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, roads, electricity, or any kind of sanitation.

The New York Times reported them to be America's new 'Third World' inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonials. (I've seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it's sickening beyond anything you can imagine.)

By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million people into our country legally annually, more than all other countries combined. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.

It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.

Interesting Statistics!

Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

1. $14 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens (that's Billion with a 'B')

3. $7.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they still cannot speak a word of English!

5. $27 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

6. $3 Million Dollars 'PER DAY' is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. That's $1.2 Billion a year.

7. 28% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.

8. $190 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in t he US.

11. During the year 2005, there were 8 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were middle-eastern terrorists. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin, crack, guns, and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the southern border.

12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $65 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin, to their families and friends.

14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States!

Total cost a whopping $538.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR !

[DJD]

Haven't been here long enough to know, what do these guys rattle about when we have a republican president?

Pretty simple.....the Libs on here attacked and screamed about Bush. They made fun of McCain and anyone running for the high office. The difference is many got themselves banned because of their tireless use of personal attacks and name calling. Facts didn't matter just personal attacks...... So far, as I know it , no one with a Conservative opinion has been banned but at least three Liberals have been. That tell you anything?? It does meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

[GeoFisher]

As usual,half the problem is ignored. If there was no work for them, would they still come? So someone is using illegal employees.I guess that dosn't make sense to conservatives.

AND I agree with you there........

Shut down the opportunities to work legally and ILLEGALLY and be done with it. But I will tell you this. I know a ton of folks who bitch about Mexicans stealing jobs, and then hire an all Mexican crew to roof their house, or frame there new building, or do their lawn work.

If you want to bitch about the illegal laborers, be ready to pay a premium.

Later,

Geo

[kyfanatic]

AND I agree with you there........

Shut down the opportunities to work legally and ILLEGALLY and be done with it. But I will tell you this. I know a ton of folks who bitch about Mexicans stealing jobs, and then hire an all Mexican crew to roof their house, or frame there new building, or do their lawn work.

If you want to bitch about the illegal laborers, be ready to pay a premium.

Later,

Geo

I've been a carpentry subcontractor for over 35 years,worked both residential and commercial jobs.Rough-Framed for Northern Kentucky Homebuilders a lot and was known as one of the top framers in the area.I'll give you a list of HomeBuilders and you can ask yourself,not blowing hotair,stating facts.
I carried Workers Comp,2 million $ in Liablity Insurance,had life and Health Insurance on my employees,paid all occupational licenses and local,state,and federal taxes.
I was a member of the Local,State,and National Home Builders Association and volunteered to teach carpentry skills at ABC classes (Associated Builders and Contractors,Volunteered on many Homes for needy and low income projects.
I also was a member of the Kentucky Association of General Contractors and have done work in Kentucky,Ohio,Indiana,Tennessee,Virginia,New Jersey,California,and Florida as well as on Grand Cayman Island,in the Bahamas,and Jamaica

I cannot tell you the thousands of homesand commercial projects I have had to go back on that Mexicans/Hispanics,Russians,and other foreigners worked on and repair from shoddy craftsmanship,including important structural mistakes that jeopardized the structures.

If these Illegals carried all the Insurance and Trade requirements that I was forced to,do you think their costs would have been cheaper? You get what you pay for,if you want **** slapped on fast and halfassed,that's what you get,but I never saw any Mexicans or otherwise that could outwork,do better quality,than my crew before my injuries.

Funny how we hear how these people work so cheap when they aren't subjected to the same rules and regulations as Americans are,you want to know why Americans have the work ethics they do? Because of Government Regulations and all the BS forced on us that Illegals don't deal with

[DJD]

As usual,half the problem is ignored. If there was no work for them, would they still come? So someone is using illegal employees.I guess that dosn't make sense to conservatives.

YES!!!!! They would still come....Liberals who always lower their standards to the lowest common denominator in a situation and will always side wth the poor little illegal. That's been your parties mantra for decades. Look how Liberals position themselves as the party for the women, blacks, poor, middle class and Illegals. Now tell me how that stance contributes to supporting your statement of "doesn't make sense to conservatives. It abundantly clear that Liberal Logic is nothing more than pandering to classes or people but not actually believing the garbage they spew. The illegal problem is a problem for both parties, both have made this is bad as it is......no one can deny that fact.

But, I find it soooooo funny and surprising that you can even type what you did........Hmmmm wanna bet there are many Liberals who hire Illegals? Based on the Liberal logic of everyone is equal and their "bleeding heart Liberal" name who would be more likely to hire and support them?

Which political party is/has been upset with their panties in a wad over Voter ID? Which party is pandering and using the illegals NOW for their political advantage??

All people, regardless of political belief, contribute to the problem...but to tag Conservatives as not making sense is not even close and such joke.

There are laws to stop illegal immigration/hiring activity but they are not enforced. Putting more "red tape" junk on top of a problem instead of taking it back to the basics means anything done will be a problem not a solution. Politicians love to talk about an answer but do little to nothing to fix the problems.

[GeoFisher]

I've been a carpentry subcontractor for over 35 years,worked both residential and commercial jobs.Rough-Framed for Northern Kentucky Homebuilders a lot and was known as one of the top framers in the area.I'll give you a list of HomeBuilders and you can ask yourself,not blowing hotair,stating facts.
I carried Workers Comp,2 million $ in Liablity Insurance,had life and Health Insurance on my employees,paid all occupational licenses and local,state,and federal taxes.
I was a member of the Local,State,and National Home Builders Association and volunteered to teach carpentry skills at ABC classes (Associated Builders and Contractors,Volunteered on many Homes for needy and low income projects.
I also was a member of the Kentucky Association of General Contractors and have done work in Kentucky,Ohio,Indiana,Tennessee,Virginia,New Jersey,California,and Florida as well as on Grand Cayman Island,in the Bahamas,and Jamaica

I cannot tell you the thousands of homesand commercial projects I have had to go back on that Mexicans/Hispanics,Russians,and other foreigners worked on and repair from shoddy craftsmanship,including important structural mistakes that jeopardized the structures.

If these Illegals carried all the Insurance and Trade requirements that I was forced to,do you think their costs would have been cheaper? You get what you pay for,if you want **** slapped on fast and halfassed,that's what you get,but I never saw any Mexicans or otherwise that could outwork,do better quality,than my crew before my injuries.

Funny how we hear how these people work so cheap when they aren't subjected to the same rules and regulations as Americans are,you want to know why Americans have the work ethics they do? Because of Government Regulations and all the BS forced on us that Illegals don't deal with

I completely, completely agree with you.......it doesn't change the fact the same folks are the ones hiring illegals.

Insurance companies want to get roofs replaced the cheapest they can, so they almost always use the lowest bigger, and that lowest bidder is mexican because of the rules you talk about .

ELIMINATE those opportunities, and you will resolve a bunch of issues. Not only that, but good, honest folks I know who simply cannot make a living will be able to compete once again.

Later,

Geo

[Hlleonard]

I've been a carpentry subcontractor for over 35 years,worked both residential and commercial jobs.Rough-Framed for Northern Kentucky Homebuilders a lot and was known as one of the top framers in the area.I'll give you a list of HomeBuilders and you can ask yourself,not blowing hotair,stating facts.
I carried Workers Comp,2 million $ in Liablity Insurance,had life and Health Insurance on my employees,paid all occupational licenses and local,state,and federal taxes.
I was a member of the Local,State,and National Home Builders Association and volunteered to teach carpentry skills at ABC classes (Associated Builders and Contractors,Volunteered on many Homes for needy and low income projects.
I also was a member of the Kentucky Association of General Contractors and have done work in Kentucky,Ohio,Indiana,Tennessee,Virginia,New Jersey,California,and Florida as well as on Grand Cayman Island,in the Bahamas,and Jamaica

I cannot tell you the thousands of homesand commercial projects I have had to go back on that Mexicans/Hispanics,Russians,and other foreigners worked on and repair from shoddy craftsmanship,including important structural mistakes that jeopardized the structures.

If these Illegals carried all the Insurance and Trade requirements that I was forced to,do you think their costs would have been cheaper? You get what you pay for,if you want **** slapped on fast and halfassed,that's what you get,but I never saw any Mexicans or otherwise that could outwork,do better quality,than my crew before my injuries.

Funny how we hear how these people work so cheap when they aren't subjected to the same rules and regulations as Americans are,you want to know why Americans have the work ethics they do? Because of Government Regulations and all the BS forced on us that Illegals don't deal with

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Well, Polly won't respond again but from your post it seems government regs have required you to be the contractor you just described so not having to comply with "all the BS forced on us that Illegals don't deal with" then everybody would be doing less that quality work and you don't see it as gov interference improving the quality of workmanship? .. I suspect if we get rid of illegals and do away with gov regs then shoddy workmanship would be the norm with the exception of the price.. remember the cars in the 50's 60's and 70's before japanese competition and gov interference made american car manufactures get better or go broke?... Don't misunderstand, I think we should send them all back if they are/were illegal but it does sound like you are saying 'take away the regs and the illegals and we will show you what shoddy workmanship really is'..

[kyfanatic]

Let's be clear here, Illegals can work cheaper because they aren't hamstringed with all the overhead of being taxed to death from every Tom,****,and Harry govt agency with their hands stuck out.

Illegals don't follow building codes,OSHA regs,Insurance,and licensing requirements that Americans are forced to have and do.

Illegals do shoddy work because they don't give a hoot about the finished product,only about making a fast $$$ and getting away.Legal American contractors Do Care about the finished product because their reputation and livelihood depend on what they do.

Illegals are here to take,Americans are here for the long haul and give as well as take.

I swear Liberals must all wear some dyslexic pair of goggles,because they twist meaning more than a lawyer

[DJD]

I swear Liberals must all wear some dyslexic pair of goggles,because they twist meaning more than a lawyer

Dude its a genetic flaw......

[GeoFisher]

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Well, Polly won't respond again but from your post it seems government regs have required you to be the contractor you just described so not having to comply with "all the BS forced on us that Illegals don't deal with" then everybody would be doing less that quality work and you don't see it as gov interference improving the quality of workmanship? .. I suspect if we get rid of illegals and do away with gov regs then shoddy workmanship would be the norm with the exception of the price.. remember the cars in the 50's 60's and 70's before japanese competition and gov interference made american car manufactures get better or go broke?... Don't misunderstand, I think we should send them all back if they are/were illegal but it does sound like you are saying 'take away the regs and the illegals and we will show you what shoddy workmanship really is'..

How in THE HELL did you get that from what he said.........I honestly don't understand it sometimes.

Blinded by liberalism. BLINDED.

Later,

Geo