Where are the Americans

[201stratos]

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It seems you disagree with some others on the board that to think "trickle down" is the next best thing to sliced bread... companies will pay the lowest wage they can get away with... Having said that, how many mom and pop businesses you know that pay better than food stamp wages... they don't because they can't.... companies will pay what the labor force demands or go belly up if they need employees to stay in business... Like I said before, if you are a company that pays below gov assistance wages, you are part of the problem...

In Mr Hlleonard's world what is gov assistance wages? Second of all don't make your dumb*** generalizations....I am a small business and have been for 19 years. I have 31 employees. Out of those 31, 6 have been with me all 19 years, and 8 more have been for 7 or more and are making MUCH more than minimum wage and also have retirement funded by me.... Guess what? They didn't start that way, they EARNED IT. They are happy and so am I.... AND I can guarantee I Have paid more in taxes in 19 years than you will in your lifetime. How many businesses have you run? How many jobs have you created? And while we are at it how much do you donate each year?? You sir have no clue..... ALL you know is what the union told you to "think" you know..... The fact is your precious unions have driven more jobs out of the country in the past 20 years than they EVER helped create......... And if you believe so much in your liberal party, go ahead and pay more taxes than required, they will let you

[Hlleonard]

I've spoke my piece in this thread already but tonight I ordered a mcdouble and large fries at McDonald's and got.........

A quarter pounder with no mustard, medium fries, and a free look at the guy with 3 lip rings that handed it to me. The first thing that immediately came to mind was man that order would've been right had he made $20 an hour.

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The first thing that immediately came to mind was man that order would've been right had he made $20 an hour.

I suspect it would have had a better chance had the person that made it for you made a wage that he didn't want to lose.

[201stratos]

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The first thing that immediately came to mind was man that order would've been right had he made $20 an hour.

I suspect it would have had a better chance had the person that made it for you made a wage that he didn't want to lose.

You feel so strongly about it, everytime you go to a fast food restaurant you should tell them you would like to pay them $20 bucks to make your order

[psprowler]

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The first thing that immediately came to mind was man that order would've been right had he made $20 an hour.

I suspect it would have had a better chance had the person that made it for you made a wage that he didn't want to lose.

I know right. Just imagine how hard he'd be willing to work if he knew that free government check wasn't waiting in the mailbox every first of the month.

[GeoFisher]

In Mr Hlleonard's world what is gov assistance wages? Second of all don't make your dumb*** generalizations....I am a small business and have been for 19 years. I have 31 employees. Out of those 31, 6 have been with me all 19 years, and 8 more have been for 7 or more and are making MUCH more than minimum wage and also have retirement funded by me.... Guess what? They didn't start that way, they EARNED IT. They are happy and so am I.... AND I can guarantee I Have paid more in taxes in 19 years than you will in your lifetime. How many businesses have you run? How many jobs have you created? And while we are at it how much do you donate each year?? You sir have no clue..... ALL you know is what the union told you to "think" you know..... The fact is your precious unions have driven more jobs out of the country in the past 20 years than they EVER helped create......... And if you believe so much in your liberal party, go ahead and pay more taxes than required, they will let you

Ka, Ka, Ka Ka..............BOOM.

Duck your head...........Incoming......

[mhall]

In Mr Hlleonard's world what is gov assistance wages? Second of all don't make your dumb*** generalizations....I am a small business and have been for 19 years. I have 31 employees. Out of those 31, 6 have been with me all 19 years, and 8 more have been for 7 or more and are making MUCH more than minimum wage and also have retirement funded by me.... Guess what? They didn't start that way, they EARNED IT. They are happy and so am I.... AND I can guarantee I Have paid more in taxes in 19 years than you will in your lifetime. How many businesses have you run? How many jobs have you created? And while we are at it how much do you donate each year?? You sir have no clue..... ALL you know is what the union told you to "think" you know..... The fact is your precious unions have driven more jobs out of the country in the past 20 years than they EVER helped create......... And if you believe so much in your liberal party, go ahead and pay more taxes than required, they will let you

Words of wisdom and been there and done that and still doing it.
This post ROCKS!!!!

[Hlleonard]

In Mr Hlleonard's world what is gov assistance wages? Second of all don't make your dumb*** generalizations....I am a small business and have been for 19 years. I have 31 employees. Out of those 31, 6 have been with me all 19 years, and 8 more have been for 7 or more and are making MUCH more than minimum wage and also have retirement funded by me.... Guess what? They didn't start that way, they EARNED IT. They are happy and so am I.... AND I can guarantee I Have paid more in taxes in 19 years than you will in your lifetime. How many businesses have you run? How many jobs have you created? And while we are at it how much do you donate each year?? You sir have no clue..... ALL you know is what the union told you to "think" you know..... The fact is your precious unions have driven more jobs out of the country in the past 20 years than they EVER helped create......... And if you believe so much in your liberal party, go ahead and pay more taxes than required, they will let you

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I take by your post your employees don't rely on gov assistance to provide for their families (although you didn't exactly say that) I say good for you, you aren't part of the problem, we need more of you and less of those that are...

[DJD]

In Mr Hlleonard's world what is gov assistance wages? Second of all don't make your dumb*** generalizations....I am a small business and have been for 19 years. I have 31 employees. Out of those 31, 6 have been with me all 19 years, and 8 more have been for 7 or more and are making MUCH more than minimum wage and also have retirement funded by me.... Guess what? They didn't start that way, they EARNED IT. They are happy and so am I.... AND I can guarantee I Have paid more in taxes in 19 years than you will in your lifetime. How many businesses have you run? How many jobs have you created? And while we are at it how much do you donate each year?? You sir have no clue..... ALL you know is what the union told you to "think" you know..... The fact is your precious unions have driven more jobs out of the country in the past 20 years than they EVER helped create......... And if you believe so much in your liberal party, go ahead and pay more taxes than required, they will let you

Excellent post!

[mhall]

I've spoke my piece in this thread already but tonight I ordered a mcdouble and large fries at McDonald's and got.........

A quarter pounder with no mustard, medium fries, and a free look at the guy with 3 lip rings that handed it to me. The first thing that immediately came to mind was man that order would've been right had he made $20 an hour.

BAHAWAHABAHA..................Classic....

[Hlleonard]

And if Obama hadn't come along it would be 9..... All kidding aside do you remember how bad it was under Carter?

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Debt

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$10,699,804,864,612 So you think Mr.Romney would have paid off 1.5 T before he took office?

All kidding aside do you remember how bad it was under Carter?
Yes sir I do.... Mr Carter was a lousy president but he was not the president who kick started massive over spending....

[zx150]

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The first thing that immediately came to mind was man that order would've been right had he made $20 an hour.

I suspect it would have had a better chance had the person that made it for you made a wage that he didn't want to lose.

When I first started at Winn Dixie I like $3 an hour what ever the minimum wage was at the time. Did not want to loose that job so I worked hard. I also want to be a stock boy and not be a baggier any more so I work harder and got promoted. Then I wanted to go into the meat dept. so i kept working hard and made it there as well. Imagine how motivated I would have been if I would have made more than a minimum wage.

You can't teach work ethic paying more for an entry level job is not the answer. What would help is if two guys are hungry and only one sandwich, AND NO GOVERNMENT BAIL OUT, how hard would you work to get that sandwich. That is what would teach work ethic.

[Hlleonard]

When I first started at Winn Dixie I like $3 an hour what ever the minimum wage was at the time. Did not want to loose that job so I worked hard. I also want to be a stock boy and not be a baggier any more so I work harder and got promoted. Then I wanted to go into the meat dept. so i kept working hard and made it there as well. Imagine how motivated I would have been if I would have made more than a minimum wage.

You can't teach work ethic paying more for an entry level job is not the answer. What would help is if two guys are hungry and only one sandwich, AND NO GOVERNMENT BAIL OUT, how hard would you work to get that sandwich. That is what would teach work ethic.

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A few post back, maybe a zillion the way this thread has gone,or might have been in the other thread, there was a post that said something to the effect of ' good jobs don't have to hunt for people to fill them' or something to that effect, what do you think was meant by that?..
I do agree that ambition is a stronger motive than pay scale but that has nothing to do with massive numbers of people working at jobs that would require them to choose between food, housing, heat because they simply cannot provide all for their family and healthcare simply would not exist in those situations... Our government is way over inflated but we do a good job of not having people freezing and starving, I think even though it is very costly and is abused, I would prefer we not have people freezing and starving... Contrary to what the right wing spews out, the entire welfare slice of the pie is 11 or 12 percent including aid to the disabled and all the other folks who cannot provide for themselves, we need to do a better job of policing the system but we do not need to get rid of it.... We do need to improve wages to the to the point of people being able to provide for themselves and not need assistance while they work a full time job....