Border Drugs

[ZoraSpook]

We are getting closer. But still you put too much power in the state to take away someones freedom unwillingly. The probable cause justification is simply something I cannot agree with on any level. They use weed to search because it is the only drug that has a real smell. I had some KILLER weed in my car up in michigan. Stunk to high heaven. Never once did I smoke before or on the road. But I smoke the hell out of it at camp. But with your rationale I should get charged and get sent to prison because of the SMELL. Which is BS.

Making them not illegal would drastically change care and outlook on users. It's a great divider, I've seen the strongest willed men succumb to addiction because the lack of empathy and understanding from our "hollier than thou" society.

Overdoses would not rise, crime would fall and more people would get help. We may be able to save someones friend, but others will say "hes a lost cause because he does (insert here)" which is the wrong mindset.

I've worked with rehab centers, handed out clean needles, any kind of harm reduction I can do within reason I try to do.

We need to look at "root cause" not the symptoms like you mentioned.

I agree a person should not get arrested for the smell of weed in the car alone. But if the smell is present and the driver has bloodshot eyes, fails to be responsive to questions, an or fails to safely operate the vehicle. Then is DUI clear and simple.
Sincerely, have you actually seen someone arrested for the presence of smell alone, that was not in possession?

If a person decides to violate the law, then arrest may be warranted. That same person could have avoided arrest by not breaking a law.

We have different experiences. I’ve seen friends with drug issues get help and get clean, while keeping a job, with out ever being arrested for anything.

So if drugs were legal, and more easily acquired, what protects society from those that use, do not seek help, and drive under the influence? Is a better for a user to be arrested for possession and forced into rehab, or do you think it’s better to let selected folks continue to use and risk them drinking under the influence causing a crash, causing injuries, and facing far worse consequences? In my mind treating someone with humanity sometimes means making them make the right decisions.

[ZoraSpook]

[QUOTE=Buzzy;584726

Overdoses would not rise, crime would fall

How would crime be lowered? Managing the statistics is decriminalizing to have fewer arrests and so reporting lower crime rates.

And unless the drugs are free, those that need them still need money they may not have if not holding a job, right? So what will the unemployed user do to get the money to buy decriminalized drugs? Crime?

We need to look at "root cause" not the symptoms like you mentioned.[/QUOTE]

I think when we give a user a free clean needle, we would be doing the same thing as providing a free loaded, but safety equipped gun to a person suffering depression or with articulated suicidal thoughts. Neither you or I would do that of course.

I’d rather have an addicted friend hate me for the rest of his life for forcing him to get clean, then to no longer have that friend.

Jmho.

[Buzzy]

I agree a person should not get arrested for the smell of weed in the car alone. But if the smell is present and the driver has bloodshot eyes, fails to be responsive to questions, an or fails to safely operate the vehicle. Then is DUI clear and simple.
Sincerely, have you actually seen someone arrested for the presence of smell alone, that was not in possession?

If a person decides to violate the law, then arrest may be warranted. That same person could have avoided arrest by not breaking a law.

We have different experiences. I’ve seen friends with drug issues get help and get clean, while keeping a job, with out ever being arrested for anything.

So if drugs were legal, and more easily acquired, what protects society from those that use, do not seek help, and drive under the influence? Is a better for a user to be arrested for possession and forced into rehab, or do you think it’s better to let selected folks continue to use and risk them drinking under the influence causing a crash, causing injuries, and facing far worse consequences? In my mind treating someone with humanity sometimes means making them make the right decisions.

I %100 have witnessed someone get arrested. Cop said he smelled weed. There was a piece the size of a big toenail clipping on the floor. Guy hand rolled cigs and had tobacco, cop said the papers were paraphernalia. Hauled off.

What is there to protect anyone from doing bad things? You are using the same exact rationale as the anti-gun crowd, if we make it illegal then it wont happen. Listen its gonna happen, what protects us is having places to do it and ways to move around the city. Want to know what would protect citizens from impaired drivers?

An actual public transportation system.

But NO ONE wants that because they need their "independence" to drive their car.

[Buzzy]

I think when we give a user a free clean needle, we would be doing the same thing as providing a free loaded, but safety equipped gun to a person suffering depression or with articulated suicidal thoughts. Neither you or I would do that of course.

I’d rather have an addicted friend hate me for the rest of his life for forcing him to get clean, then to no longer have that friend.

Jmho.

You have the wrong perception on that. Clean needles save taxpayers millions in dollars because these people arent going to the ER with arms so infected they look like there are going to rot off.

I'm not giving them unlimited fentanyl which would be more akin to your bogus analogy.

Listen I get it, you love living in a police state where they control your freedom and are your overlords. I dont.

[ZoraSpook]

You have the wrong perception on that. Clean needles save taxpayers millions in dollars because these people arent going to the ER with arms so infected they look like there are going to rot off.

I'm not giving them unlimited fentanyl which would be more akin to your bogus analogy.

Listen I get it, you love living in a police state where they control your freedom and are your overlords. I dont.

I don’t agree with supporting bad habits when we should be using those same resources to cure/solve/ treat the base condition. I think we need fix conditions, and not medicate symptoms.

I don’t live in a police state. I live in KY, USA and enjoy lots of freedom. Of course, if a person has never been overseas or out of the country to places where such freedoms do not exist I can understand why that same person might fail to recognize how blessed we are here.

You are entitled to your beliefs and hope that works out for you. Now excuse me while I put my flag up in the front yard and send my donations this month to the police fund, and habitat for humanity.

Later!

[Buzzy]

I don’t agree with supporting bad habits when we should be using those same resources to cure/solve/ treat the base condition. I think we need fix conditions, and not medicate symptoms.

I don’t live in a police state. I live in KY, USA and enjoy lots of freedom. Of course, if a person has never been overseas or out of the country to places where such freedoms do not exist I can understand why that same person might fail to recognize how blessed we are here.

You are entitled to your beliefs and hope that works out for you. Now excuse me while I put my flag up in the front yard and send my donations this month to the police fund, and habitat for humanity.

Later!

Lick that boot.

[ZoraSpook]

I %100 have witnessed someone get arrested. Cop said he smelled weed. There was a piece the size of a big toenail clipping on the floor. Guy hand rolled cigs and had tobacco, cop said the papers were paraphernalia. Hauled off. (SO HE WAS IN POSSESSION?) and by the way was he found guilty or not?

What is there to protect anyone from doing bad things? You are using the same exact rationale as the anti-gun crowd, if we make it illegal then it wont happen. (NO, IT WILL HAPPEN BUT THOSE THAT DO IT WILL BE PUNISHED, LEARN A LESSON, AND MIGHT NOT DO IT AGAIN)

Public transportation as the key to the drug use and reduced crime rates....hmmmmm:
- If bank robbers had to call a cab to leave the scene of the crime, you may be right.
- If drug users had to wait in line at Walgreens for an RX of their favorite illegal substance, and had to take a cab to get there, then yes, I agree the drug use would slow.
- Hey, what if we had a public buss sytems that would load up all the bank robbers and carry them from bank to bank downtown so we'd have fewer cars on the road, fewer police chases, and fewer vehicles emitting greehouse gasses?
- And what the hey, lets make free drugs avaialble on the busses that carry the robbers so that they can be more comfortable and relaxed when they commit armed robberies, so therefore they the robbers being more relaxed they would be less likely to fire their guns in anger.
- And lets set up a govt fund that pays bank robbers a stimulus check if they rob a bank with a gun and can prove they didn't fire any shots. that would reduce gun violence don't you think.

[ZoraSpook]

Lick that boot.

Oh gross....you do that?

[dragmerc]

Public transportation as the key to the drug use and reduced crime rates....hmmmmm:
- If bank robbers had to call a cab to leave the scene of the crime, you may be right.
- If drug users had to wait in line at Walgreens for an RX of their favorite illegal substance, and had to take a cab to get there, then yes, I agree the drug use would slow.
- Hey, what if we had a public buss sytems that would load up all the bank robbers and carry them from bank to bank downtown so we'd have fewer cars on the road, fewer police chases, and fewer vehicles emitting greehouse gasses?
- And what the hey, lets make free drugs avaialble on the busses that carry the robbers so that they can be more comfortable and relaxed when they commit armed robberies, so therefore they the robbers being more relaxed they would be less likely to fire their guns in anger.
- And lets set up a govt fund that pays bank robbers a stimulus check if they rob a bank with a gun and can prove they didn't fire any shots. that would reduce gun violence don't you think.

why don't we just mail them a monthly dose paid for by the fed that just keeps printing money?
no dui, no buses, no bills, etc...

[Buzzy]

Public transportation as the key to the drug use and reduced crime rates....hmmmmm:
- If bank robbers had to call a cab to leave the scene of the crime, you may be right.
- If drug users had to wait in line at Walgreens for an RX of their favorite illegal substance, and had to take a cab to get there, then yes, I agree the drug use would slow.
- Hey, what if we had a public buss sytems that would load up all the bank robbers and carry them from bank to bank downtown so we'd have fewer cars on the road, fewer police chases, and fewer vehicles emitting greehouse gasses?
- And what the hey, lets make free drugs avaialble on the busses that carry the robbers so that they can be more comfortable and relaxed when they commit armed robberies, so therefore they the robbers being more relaxed they would be less likely to fire their guns in anger.
- And lets set up a govt fund that pays bank robbers a stimulus check if they rob a bank with a gun and can prove they didn't fire any shots. that would reduce gun violence don't you think.

You are one dumbass I can’t deal with right now. Speaking in hyperbole.

When you bring something more intelligent we can interact.

this is 1st class ******** mindless lemming speak.

[Buzzy]

Oh gross....you do that?

clearly you do it everyday.

No cops are good.

That’s the point I’m at.


I’ll never support any police ever after my lifetime of lived experiences.

Calling them pigs is an insult to pigs.

[ZoraSpook]

clearly you do it everyday.

No cops are good.

That’s the point I’m at.


I’ll never support any police ever after my lifetime of lived experiences.

Calling them pigs is an insult to pigs.

Well alrighty then. I'm done. Cheers mate!